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I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same Isaac Send a noteboard - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM

You're supposed to notice differences, just not act unfairly because of them, to pre-judge someone, to show prejudice because of a trait which is not clearly and demonstrably related to whatever the matter is about. This gets tricky because in between the two extremes, absurd and reasonable, is where everything happens. I doubt even the KKK considers skin color relevant in deciding whether or not someone enjoys Ice Tea, alternatively you really have to have your head in the sand to be surprised when your friend Brigham seems a bit confused and ungrateful that you bought him an espresso maker for his birthday, or why your friend Achmed keeps declining your invites to rib cook-offs. So we limit this to intentional or even unintentional acts of harm to other people based on unreasonable and unfair discrimination... we've never discouraged people from observing traits and using them to draw reasonable and fair conclusions off of, that's more or less what thinking people do. Profiling and discrimination are at the core of rational thinking.

When we talk about everyone being the same, and we push that point to discourage noticing or thinking about those differences, we're essentially electing to fight ignorance with... ignorance.

That doesn't make much sense.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 3083 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 1021 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 939 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 985 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1575 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1685 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 942 Views
FALSE! - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1705 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1653 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1882 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1675 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1962 Views
Ok....and? - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1542 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 966 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1604 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 1009 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1651 Views
LOL. - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1590 Views
Violence.... - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1631 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1471 Views
You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1549 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 972 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1506 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1600 Views
Yes. - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1515 Views
Re: Yes. - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1607 Views
You know better than that. - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1586 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1679 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 913 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1542 Views
... ? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 975 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 904 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1565 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1468 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1629 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1607 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1596 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1680 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1698 Views
No, it actaully does not. - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1654 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1484 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1609 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1920 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1756 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1594 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1607 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1623 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1478 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1441 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1471 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1432 Views
Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1641 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1534 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1442 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1555 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1431 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1506 Views
Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1536 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1474 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 852 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1774 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1641 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1863 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1460 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1570 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1517 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1720 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 872 Views
I agree. *NM* - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 955 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1636 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1559 Views
Oh, so its our fault... - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1513 Views
It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 1055 Views
In general, I agree - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1669 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1543 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 977 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1612 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1467 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1651 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1589 Views
Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1434 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1708 Views
No, I really don't think so. - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1504 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1445 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1620 Views
It's accurate. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 938 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1519 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1635 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1586 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1596 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1544 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 923 Views
No - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1598 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1550 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1540 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 974 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1491 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1510 Views
What a load of bullshit. - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1522 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1655 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1650 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1495 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1601 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 905 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1541 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1481 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1684 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1599 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1695 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1689 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1931 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1750 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1613 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1576 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 961 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 893 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1647 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1642 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1762 Views
Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM* - 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM 868 Views
I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM 1481 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1549 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 888 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 875 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 879 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1480 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 916 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1498 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 949 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1452 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1576 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1674 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1490 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 903 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1548 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1560 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1418 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1465 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1377 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1564 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 923 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1754 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2287 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1623 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1487 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1688 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2268 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1658 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2235 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1639 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 2050 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1865 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1230 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1580 Views

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