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I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same Isaac Send a noteboard - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM

You're supposed to notice differences, just not act unfairly because of them, to pre-judge someone, to show prejudice because of a trait which is not clearly and demonstrably related to whatever the matter is about. This gets tricky because in between the two extremes, absurd and reasonable, is where everything happens. I doubt even the KKK considers skin color relevant in deciding whether or not someone enjoys Ice Tea, alternatively you really have to have your head in the sand to be surprised when your friend Brigham seems a bit confused and ungrateful that you bought him an espresso maker for his birthday, or why your friend Achmed keeps declining your invites to rib cook-offs. So we limit this to intentional or even unintentional acts of harm to other people based on unreasonable and unfair discrimination... we've never discouraged people from observing traits and using them to draw reasonable and fair conclusions off of, that's more or less what thinking people do. Profiling and discrimination are at the core of rational thinking.

When we talk about everyone being the same, and we push that point to discourage noticing or thinking about those differences, we're essentially electing to fight ignorance with... ignorance.

That doesn't make much sense.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2878 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 882 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 803 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 862 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1367 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1462 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 808 Views
FALSE! - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1478 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1427 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1662 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1451 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1738 Views
Ok....and? - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1307 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 850 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1380 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 893 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1428 Views
LOL. - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1368 Views
Violence.... - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1414 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1227 Views
You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1299 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 865 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1296 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1382 Views
Yes. - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1301 Views
Re: Yes. - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1355 Views
You know better than that. - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1363 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1444 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 795 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1320 Views
... ? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 841 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 789 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1340 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1245 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1421 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1360 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1371 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1443 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1455 Views
No, it actaully does not. - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1432 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1256 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1365 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1696 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1516 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1386 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1373 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1389 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1247 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1187 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1265 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1207 Views
Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1390 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1293 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1233 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1313 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1207 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1288 Views
Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1314 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1238 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 734 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1573 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1429 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1646 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1231 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1357 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1321 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1473 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 739 Views
I agree. *NM* - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 800 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1426 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1308 Views
Oh, so its our fault... - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1302 Views
It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 930 Views
In general, I agree - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1465 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1312 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 855 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1386 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1230 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1442 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1359 Views
Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1195 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1463 Views
No, I really don't think so. - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1258 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1237 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1404 Views
It's accurate. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 822 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1301 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1415 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1367 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1386 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1336 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 802 Views
No - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1384 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1340 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1314 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 850 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1275 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1296 Views
What a load of bullshit. - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1299 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1447 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1427 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1267 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1385 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 779 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1310 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1270 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1475 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1384 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1460 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1463 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1693 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1529 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1393 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1374 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 838 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 776 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1448 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1430 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1552 Views
Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM* - 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM 744 Views
I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM 1248 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1342 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 762 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 751 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 747 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1261 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 795 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1304 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 798 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1233 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1358 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1427 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1252 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 784 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1332 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1337 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1215 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1222 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1176 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1355 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 795 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1521 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2049 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1398 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1275 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1465 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2024 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1422 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2001 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1414 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1841 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1660 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1059 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1350 Views

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