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Basically... Isaac Send a noteboard - 01/10/2009 02:52:51 AM
That people aren't dying in the US because they can't afford medical care?
If that is your point it is simply not true.

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I am saying I have no idea how you keep boiling my arguments down to one sentence, take it out of all context, and expect me to reply. I took the time earlier to do a point by point reply to every single thing you said.

As for that sentence, which I have not said, please don't stick words in my mouth.

You seem fixated on this though, so let me point out your logic flaw.

People are in fact dying daily who would not otherwise die with greater medical care.

I'm not sure why you think I'd debate that, unless you're the sort who think idealogical rivals are by definition stupid. Why this somehow means that blatantly annexing health insurance and/or all healthcare would somehow automatically be justified by this I have no idea. Let's looks at some other absolute truths:

People are dying because they can't afford to rotate their tires, a well known contributing factor in many car wrecks, car accidents being one of the leading types of primarily avoidable deaths.

People are dying in northern regions every year, due to the cold, and an inability to afford a back up generator for when the power goes out.

People are dying younger than they should all the time because of poor diets, often because they lack the time and/or money to eat more properly and suck down a quick cheeseburger.

You can go on and on down that list with examples ranging from the serious to the trivial, in none of these cases does 'direct and immense' government intervention magically spring from it without any in-between debate. You can not simply use 'people are dying because they can't afford proper medical care' as an unopposable battering ram to just state 'nationalize healthcare'.

Because it all boils down to the same statement "People are dying because they are poor" which really boils down to "Money has direct advantages" which is sort of the point of the stuff.

If healthcare, why not auto maintenance? We can nationalize mechanics so everyone can go in for a free lube, oil change and tire rotation. We can buy everyone who lives in the snow belt backup generators, of course it would be cheaper to bury the lines, of course that would be expensive too. We'd have to get the money from somewhere, maybe by cutting funding to something else?

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