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I think that's being a bit pedantic, to be kind Isaac Send a noteboard - 26/04/2013 11:13:33 PM

View original postThere are amendments which imply that concept, but that doesn't make it anything close to having a "basis" in the presumption of innocence. The idea that background checks would sow how infringe on the presumption of innocence is absolutely bizarre. That presumption applies to criminal trials—not to the interpretation of the Bill of Rights.

No, the words presumption of innocence aren't in there, they aren't new, it was in common law way back to the roman empire, and was already a regular feature of criminal law, its not some new thing they found one day. It is also clear as day by the very nature of the 4th and 6th amendments. Are you taking the stance that the did not favor that?

Now I say pedantic to be kind because your comment was 'incomprehensible', and if you find the notion that presumption of innocence isn't a core principle of the constitution so alien as to be beyond your ability to comprehend, even if you disagree, you're going the opposite route of pedantic into 'dumb remark'

So next time, skip the insulting hyperbole minus any justifying commentary and just say "presumption of innocence isn't explicitly listed in the Constitution, and has limited application outside of criminal law" rather than acting like he said "The Founder Fathers were deeply motivated by a belief that pigs should not be housed inside aboard naval vessels"

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Just to be clear... wooly - 20/04/2013 03:32:07 AM 1181 Views
Of course it is A Deathwatch Guard - 20/04/2013 04:18:27 AM 575 Views
But, they is us wooly - 23/04/2013 03:13:27 AM 753 Views
First of all, I don't believe that 90% of the population support it A Deathwatch Guard - 23/04/2013 04:55:02 AM 792 Views
Just to be clear it is possible to support freedom of the press &support censorship of the internet HyogaRott - 20/04/2013 05:03:26 AM 700 Views
ROFL *NM* Isaac - 20/04/2013 05:21:11 AM 301 Views
Bazinga! Well done..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 21/04/2013 03:24:34 PM 293 Views
Well played wooly - 23/04/2013 03:20:34 AM 843 Views
No you really can't HyogaRott - 23/04/2013 05:59:04 PM 745 Views
That's the most amusingly incomprehensible attempt at constitutional analysis I've read in a while. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/04/2013 10:47:18 AM 302 Views
How so? It made sense to me Isaac - 26/04/2013 03:10:11 PM 585 Views
Presumption of innocence isn't part of the constitution. Ghavrel - 26/04/2013 09:30:17 PM 627 Views
I think that's being a bit pedantic, to be kind Isaac - 26/04/2013 11:13:33 PM 827 Views
So is your post. Ghavrel - 28/04/2013 08:41:16 AM 611 Views
I'm not sure how Isaac - 28/04/2013 02:46:00 PM 638 Views
I am not trying to pick a fight with you or anyone else. I'm very curious. Sareitha Sedai - 29/04/2013 02:34:19 PM 653 Views
yes *NM* Roland00 - 20/04/2013 06:26:27 AM 372 Views
Same. Willing to hear counterarguments, though. *NM* Dan - 21/04/2013 02:59:33 PM 357 Views
about 90% of the country agrees with that but still Obama can't close the deal. random thoughts - 21/04/2013 04:24:15 PM 810 Views
the fact that 90% support it should be obvious that most see it as *a* solution moondog - 22/04/2013 05:32:42 PM 613 Views
the fact that Obama can get a bil through the senate when it has 90% support show a fialure ot lead random thoughts - 23/04/2013 04:29:07 AM 701 Views
the fact that Obama can get a bil through the senate when it has 90% support show a fialure ot lead random thoughts - 23/04/2013 04:29:13 AM 700 Views
Yep wooly - 23/04/2013 03:47:12 AM 812 Views
90% also believes constanly blaiming others for your own failure is a sign of weakness random thoughts - 23/04/2013 04:55:53 AM 675 Views
You're smarter than this wooly - 23/04/2013 06:41:09 AM 598 Views
but is wasn't heavily favored it just polls well random thoughts - 24/04/2013 05:56:41 PM 705 Views
..and that is where the misinformation comes into play HyogaRott - 24/04/2013 07:35:51 PM 659 Views
And that reply makes my point random thoughts - 26/04/2013 05:49:53 PM 726 Views
And that reply makes my point random thoughts - 26/04/2013 05:49:53 PM 729 Views
The point is that background checks already exist on every commercial firearm transaction. HyogaRott - 27/04/2013 05:16:41 AM 756 Views
but we all know there is no correlation between having a gun and shooting someone with it moondog - 22/04/2013 05:30:12 PM 685 Views
I wonder which other Constitutional rights should require a background check to excercise? *NM* HyogaRott - 22/04/2013 08:56:15 PM 255 Views
How about just the ones that can have potentially lethal consequences for other citizens? wooly - 23/04/2013 03:56:25 AM 718 Views
freedom os speech can be a dangerous thing random thoughts - 23/04/2013 04:58:02 AM 603 Views
As you know nossy - 28/04/2013 12:11:04 PM 689 Views
Why yes, yes I do... HyogaRott - 23/04/2013 05:43:29 PM 737 Views
I agree nossy - 28/04/2013 12:55:13 PM 808 Views
Re: I agree Isaac - 05/05/2013 11:24:37 AM 702 Views
Just to be clear: another hypocrisy of the right wing imlad - 04/05/2013 06:37:31 PM 841 Views
When posting into dead threads it helps to A) Be on topic or B) Make intelligent points Isaac - 04/05/2013 08:08:46 PM 4904 Views
That's not true at all. nossy - 05/05/2013 09:45:17 AM 580 Views
*I* have a complex about dead threads? Isaac - 05/05/2013 10:36:15 AM 704 Views
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