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No you really can't HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 23/04/2013 05:59:04 PM

Our Constitution has a basis in the presumption of innocence. Requiring background checks, before utalizing a Right that the Constitution states "shall not be infringed" reverses that presumption.

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I understand WHY folks might be inclined to favor such a restriction, but it is against the plain language of our Constitution. It has been allowed, but that does not make it right. The proper thing to do is change the Constitution to allow it, not ignore it. IF the often quoted statistic that 90% of the people support it then changing the Constitution to allow it would be simple. Odd, that nobody has tried to do so. It makes me question how much of htat 90% is PR spin, and how much is real.

Polls are always tricky since the question that is asked can be misleading. I reccomend actually looking at the question that is asked in that 90% poll, and then questioning how many of those respondents were aware that ALL gun sales by a liscensed dealer are already subject to a background check, and that the majority of selelrs at "gun shows" are liscensed dealers. The only transaction that does not require a federal check (which is much more combursome and expensive than most realize) is a private sale from 1 individual to another.

Furthermore, how would the Federal government even know an individual passed a weapon to another individual if there was not an illegal list of who had what weapon to begin with? Additionally, what combination of drugs makes anyone beleive that someone who is a criminal would comply with this new requirement when they are alerady a criminal?

The net effect would be to place a burdonsome tax on ALL transactions and set a far reaching precedent further restricting the 2nd amendment and attacking the 4th and 5th.

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Just to be clear... - 20/04/2013 03:32:07 AM 1089 Views
Of course it is - 20/04/2013 04:18:27 AM 517 Views
But, they is us - 23/04/2013 03:13:27 AM 681 Views
First of all, I don't believe that 90% of the population support it - 23/04/2013 04:55:02 AM 718 Views
Just to be clear it is possible to support freedom of the press &support censorship of the internet - 20/04/2013 05:03:26 AM 641 Views
ROFL *NM* - 20/04/2013 05:21:11 AM 275 Views
Bazinga! Well done..... *NM* - 21/04/2013 03:24:34 PM 271 Views
Well played - 23/04/2013 03:20:34 AM 781 Views
No you really can't - 23/04/2013 05:59:04 PM 679 Views
That's the most amusingly incomprehensible attempt at constitutional analysis I've read in a while. *NM* - 26/04/2013 10:47:18 AM 271 Views
How so? It made sense to me - 26/04/2013 03:10:11 PM 521 Views
Presumption of innocence isn't part of the constitution. - 26/04/2013 09:30:17 PM 553 Views
I think that's being a bit pedantic, to be kind - 26/04/2013 11:13:33 PM 765 Views
So is your post. - 28/04/2013 08:41:16 AM 535 Views
I'm not sure how - 28/04/2013 02:46:00 PM 604 Views
I am not trying to pick a fight with you or anyone else. I'm very curious. - 29/04/2013 02:34:19 PM 576 Views
yes *NM* - 20/04/2013 06:26:27 AM 346 Views
Same. Willing to hear counterarguments, though. *NM* - 21/04/2013 02:59:33 PM 330 Views
about 90% of the country agrees with that but still Obama can't close the deal. - 21/04/2013 04:24:15 PM 748 Views
Yep - 23/04/2013 03:47:12 AM 754 Views
90% also believes constanly blaiming others for your own failure is a sign of weakness - 23/04/2013 04:55:53 AM 634 Views
You're smarter than this - 23/04/2013 06:41:09 AM 537 Views
but is wasn't heavily favored it just polls well - 24/04/2013 05:56:41 PM 633 Views
..and that is where the misinformation comes into play - 24/04/2013 07:35:51 PM 588 Views
And that reply makes my point - 26/04/2013 05:49:53 PM 659 Views
And that reply makes my point - 26/04/2013 05:49:53 PM 663 Views
I wonder which other Constitutional rights should require a background check to excercise? *NM* - 22/04/2013 08:56:15 PM 240 Views
How about just the ones that can have potentially lethal consequences for other citizens? - 23/04/2013 03:56:25 AM 651 Views
freedom os speech can be a dangerous thing - 23/04/2013 04:58:02 AM 565 Views
As you know - 28/04/2013 12:11:04 PM 624 Views
Why yes, yes I do... - 23/04/2013 05:43:29 PM 668 Views
I agree - 28/04/2013 12:55:13 PM 740 Views
Re: I agree - 05/05/2013 11:24:37 AM 628 Views
Just to be clear: another hypocrisy of the right wing - 04/05/2013 06:37:31 PM 767 Views
When posting into dead threads it helps to A) Be on topic or B) Make intelligent points - 04/05/2013 08:08:46 PM 4819 Views
That's not true at all. - 05/05/2013 09:45:17 AM 515 Views
*I* have a complex about dead threads? - 05/05/2013 10:36:15 AM 632 Views

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