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Funny. nossy Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM

Point by point.


View original postPeople can live comfortably if they live frugally.

I am not handicapped, stupid, lazy or any number of other very human things that you are ignoring. I worked my ASS off for years and still could rarely afford any amenities. Hell, I frequently had to choose between food and paying bills. I know what it is to live frugally and survive, but not be able to afford things most americans take for granted -- that was without any of the problems you so quickly dismiss. What if any ONE of them had happened to me? Do you really think it's that simple?
I know there are people who simply don't have the brain power to amount to anything, but should they just give up? Are you telling me there's not one stupid person making a comfortable living that doesn't require being smart?

Why do you think I'm suggesting they "give up?" I'm saying that it's sheer blindness to assume that they may not need help, or that they aren't trying. You have NO idea how much effort people are putting in, unless you think only people with money are trying. That's blind and horrible - there are millions of people who live in the gray area between lazy-giver-uppers and comfortably-not-poor.
As far as disabilities go, their families will have to take care of them. Seeing how they will never have a normal life, they are irrelevant to this discussion.

... I don't think you're trolling? This comment is ridiculous, and I don't understand how you can think it's so easily dismissed. Where does that money come from? You think people can work a full-time job while being full-time caregivers? Maybe several jobs? This is exactly what you can't so conveniently ignore.
I'm talking about the poor who aren't handicapped (other than being dumb). I grew up dirt poor thanks to horrible parents, so I know what I'm talking about here.

I was fairly dirt poor too (steel mill family), and I'm proud of me for making it. Hell, I'm proud of you too, if you did it. However, this does not on any level mean that everyone else can do what we did. It's rude and abusively myopic to assume such a thing.

None of this says I think people shouldn't be pushed, or that we shouldn't have expectations like what we had for ourselves. It's more that you cannot assume that just because someone is struggling (or failing) that he/she isn't trying. And trying. And trying.

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1111 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 589 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 674 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 671 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 610 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 562 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 572 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 607 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 609 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 666 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 663 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 713 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 727 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 780 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 694 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 619 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 689 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 655 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 614 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 703 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 605 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 727 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 848 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 586 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 739 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 543 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 382 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 545 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 735 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 601 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 665 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 654 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 625 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 593 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 302 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 651 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 798 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 671 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 571 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 541 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 501 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 576 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 619 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 621 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 768 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 643 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 722 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 629 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 770 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 666 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 513 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 641 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 608 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 566 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 579 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 566 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 472 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 515 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 551 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 571 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 545 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 558 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 652 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 593 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 624 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 614 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 618 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 645 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 612 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 619 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 719 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 327 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 308 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 284 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 577 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 311 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 285 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 691 Views
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