i think we are just going to have to leave this where it is, because it's becoming increasingly difficult to continue having a reasoned dialogue when anything i could possibly say on the subject is met with "typical left response" or "that's a favorite of the liberals".

for the record, my opinions on how to deal with the gun culture in this country are from years of my own musings on the subject, and my own experiences with actual street level violence, and any similarity to any "official" positions you disagree with are probably due to others reaching similar conclusions. i could easily go through all of your posts here and add "that's a favorite argument from right wing gun nuts" but i don't think it accomplishes anything other than denigrating your opinions out of hand without actually considering whether they have merit. if that is how this is going to go, then i am ending it now. good day...