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Okay, that's a really weird or naive standard to judge SS by Isaac Send a noteboard - 01/03/2013 05:25:11 PM

I start a federal bank that pays 1% APR, very crappy rate, and I stick $1000 in when I'm 18 and come back at 65 it's got $1600 in there, 60% profit - for me, not them - presumably they made some loaning that money out in the meantime. This is the notion around savings, and a better rate like 3% would give me $4000, 300% profit... for me, not them. Just make sure you're tracking on this notion.

Now, a fairly obvious, and frankly 'oh duh' reason why SS brings in more money then it spends out each year, thus far, is that the people collecting it now were all born prior to 1948 - when the population was less than half the current number. Ignoring inflation and interest, every buck they pay out they should be getting about two bucks in. Kinda hard to run in the red any sort of pension or savings plan where your customer pool has been increasing every year. I'm not sure why you'd expect any of us to applaud SS bringing in more money each year than it pays out - thus far - when you would literally need to do worse than nothing to achieve that. Any given year in which the number of people 18-65 outnumber the number of people 65+ that SS doesn't bring in more than it shells out would represent an epic disaster of mismanagement nearly worthing of mass public hangings.

I've no idea why you would consider that a good bar for SS to be held to. The proper standard is to compare the average cash inputted by a recipient to the average amount received, adjusting for inflation/interest accrued and if the average person is pulling more out then they put in, then it is in the red. Looking at the raw balance in the account or incoming/outgoing is just absurd.

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Can You Name the Largest US Program to ANNUALLY Collect More Than It Spent for 75 Straight Years? - 28/02/2013 11:03:18 PM 1300 Views
It's the world's greatest Ponzi scheme, since the government forces us to give money to it. - 01/03/2013 01:05:05 PM 740 Views
Yes, "government forcing people to give money" defines a Ponzi; speeding tickets are Ponzis. - 01/03/2013 03:53:02 PM 866 Views
Good lord my friend..... - 02/03/2013 04:19:35 AM 781 Views
I will just link what Isaac said; maybe then you will pay attention to it. - 02/03/2013 04:56:34 AM 821 Views
I really think you terribly misread what I said *NM* - 02/03/2013 06:59:56 AM 429 Views
Yes he did. He has very poor reading comprehension skills. *NM* - 03/03/2013 01:07:59 AM 456 Views
I really do not think I did. - 04/03/2013 01:43:02 AM 858 Views
I'm pretty confident you have - 04/03/2013 11:49:19 AM 844 Views
We evidently disagree on what constitutes a Ponzi scheme. - 11/03/2013 09:56:27 PM 766 Views
No, I agree with a clear definiton, you seem not to want to absorb that - 11/03/2013 10:24:47 PM 910 Views
It is neither an investment nor fraudulent. - 12/03/2013 02:34:09 AM 979 Views
Okay, that's a really weird or naive standard to judge SS by - 01/03/2013 05:25:11 PM 787 Views
Great; will you put that on a postcard to Cannoli, A2K, Rick Perry and the rest of your party? - 01/03/2013 07:39:44 PM 814 Views
Your attacks on republican ideals would have more credit if you understood them - 02/03/2013 04:27:34 AM 796 Views
aH yes the great liberal investmetn/retirement plan that offers me a NEGATIGVE rate of return... - 02/03/2013 11:51:50 AM 711 Views
Do you sincerely believe people earning $14,560/year can afford investing 4% of it? - 04/03/2013 12:53:30 AM 875 Views
*sigh* - 04/03/2013 03:43:08 AM 705 Views
I tried it with compound interest; $44.80/month at 4% for 50 years still does not get to $1.25 mill. - 04/03/2013 04:24:51 AM 787 Views
Here are some clues. - 04/03/2013 04:37:39 AM 648 Views
It is math, not the Riddle of the Sphinx: EIther it adds up or does not. - 04/03/2013 05:02:39 AM 801 Views
Math is simple - Either you know how to calculate it or you don't - 04/03/2013 11:55:24 AM 879 Views
Indeed. - 11/03/2013 09:53:59 PM 788 Views
Re: Indeed. - 13/03/2013 05:00:10 PM 971 Views
SS is supposed to supplement a proper pension, not provide your sole income after retirement - 05/03/2013 03:53:03 AM 666 Views
Did you bother to actually read anything? - 05/03/2013 02:32:16 PM 734 Views
do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? - 05/03/2013 05:49:14 PM 801 Views
Re: do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? --- yeah, I've BEEN there. - 05/03/2013 08:01:33 PM 776 Views
how about respond to a post with logic and civility instead of being a troll for once? - 05/03/2013 11:03:00 PM 859 Views
All I have used is civility and logic, or least as much civility as was warrented. - 06/03/2013 04:28:04 AM 807 Views
yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 08/03/2013 07:22:24 PM 850 Views
Re: yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 10/03/2013 01:42:26 PM 720 Views
i'm not going to keep going in circles so i will finish with this.... - 11/03/2013 10:08:53 PM 1068 Views
No loss. - 13/03/2013 04:37:41 PM 661 Views
"Rah! Rah! Rah!" Can we please cut out all this blather and bile? - 05/03/2013 11:53:41 PM 737 Views
spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 06/03/2013 12:54:38 AM 708 Views
Re: spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 08/03/2013 03:04:37 PM 763 Views
I was not trolling, but clarifying. - 11/03/2013 09:53:48 PM 784 Views

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