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Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. Joel Send a noteboard - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM
Although, now I think of it, that still seems odd, because a priest from a different denomination would not have been married in the Roman Catholic Church, so I would not think the latter would recognize the marriage. Obviously we cannot have priests "living in sin" (i.e. with a spouse to which he was married outside the church.)

I'm a "lapsed" catholic as well.
1. Priests getting married - possible (this essentially is church policy, but a bible/God's word issue)

A priest can actually be married, but the circumstances are rather twisted. Essentially they have to be married and ordained in another (i.e. Episcopalian) "Catholic lite" and then convert to Catholicism. It is rare, but there are a few. It is actually not a true "Word of God" tenant prohibition but doctrinal.

It DOES seem improbable anyone would be so committed to another church they became ordained, then convert to Roman Catholicism. Of course, if it is reserved for churches already liturgically and doctrinally close to Roman Catholicism, that makes it more likely.

The whole reason for an unmarried clergy was to TRY and prevent family dynasties, and the beleif that the members of the congregation should be the only family that a priest should be concerned for, and a properly engaged preist would be unable to provider for his own family as a husband should. I can see some purpose to it in mideval Europe (much closer to our hunter/gather roots), but not in our modern soiety. It no longer takes half your day just to make sure that there will be food to eat that night.

Honestly, I think the whole idea of a celibate unmarried clergy a tragic mistake; it is the reason my reaction to the whole pedophile scandal was "well, DUH!" Forbidding priests marriage automatically disqualifies the vast majority of well-adjusted heterosexual men, and the increasing social acceptance of gay marriage places many gay men in the same boat: Both can openly live as they wish with no censure simply by foregoing priesthood. Pedophiles, on the other hand, can NEVER be accepted; exposure means disgrace and imprisonment whether or not they are priests, so ordination changes little: They just continue hiding their desires and predation from the world as they always have, hoping to escape detection.

I do not doubt for a moment MANY decent normal men seek the priesthood from sincerely deep devotion to God, despite having to forever sacrifice any hope of a spouse and children. However, I also believe relatively few men who have that hope in the first place are dedicated enough to sacrifice it for the priesthood; they sacrifice the priesthood instead. That restricts the pool of potential priests to a group with a disproportionate number of VERY undesirable candidates. Worse, their habitual, scrupulous and systematic concealment of their behavior makes them difficult to detect.

Meanwhile, I cannot help recalling the scriptural position is Pauls statement a bishop should be "the husband of one wife." If that is good enough for a bishop, it ought to be good enough for any inferior ordination. Then again, there is a reason I identify as a non-denominational Christian, a "small 'c'" catholic.
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Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM 656 Views
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