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we will have to continue to agree to disagree then moondog Send a noteboard - 08/02/2013 06:06:38 PM
sure, from a statistical standpoint this map tool does nothing to break down trends or motivations, even if you read through all 1600+ articles linked to each body in the chart. having all of the deaths represented like this in front of you makes it a bit harder to just pretend that we don't have a real problem with gun violence in this country. and that is the reason i call it more concrete.


Proper word there 'more personal' not 'concrete'. I also resent the implication I'm 'pretending' we don't have a gun violence issue, I simply don't believe the suggested treatments by the left are worth the cost, I view them as parallel to using homeopathic or alternative medical remedies. Ineffective, inefficient when they have positive effect at all, and often doing nothing or even making things worse, all under the justification that 'we have to do something', which is not a good reason to shoot a cancer victim up with snake oil.


we have laws which prevent law enforcement from not only tracking guns used in crimes, but prevents law enforcement from prosecuting dealerships which sell guns to criminals. and also prevents statisticians from keeping records on gun crimes. most of us in favor of stricter laws believe that these are the first which should be enforced, or the barriers which were erected to prevent their enforcement taken down so that police can do their job to catch people who commit criminal acts with guns.

i'm not saying you, specifically Isaac from RAFO, are pretending there is no gun violence problem, but you do have to admit that until the Newtown massacre happened, gun deaths were rarely mentioned unless they were attached to a spectacular story. in fact, gun deaths are so mundane to most people that the arguments against stricter laws all center around the fact that the amount of gun violence is just a given for living with "freedom". all this web tool does is put gun deaths front and center for people who would otherwise not pay attention.
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1600 gun deaths and counting since Newtown massacre moondog - 06/02/2013 05:40:29 PM 1256 Views
That is a tragic number but the laws they are proposing would have stopped very few of those deaths random thoughts - 06/02/2013 05:53:48 PM 743 Views
how many responsible owners are going to be selling out of the trunk of their car? moondog - 06/02/2013 06:02:43 PM 750 Views
You will never stop or reduce violence. Ever Dark Knight - 06/02/2013 09:01:15 PM 772 Views
Funny, that. *NM* jh - 06/02/2013 09:09:49 PM 351 Views
Perhaps, but we can still limit the damage done by controlling access to guns. *NM* Blaine - 06/02/2013 10:38:06 PM 391 Views
There's a gigantic difference between the "stop" and the "reduce" you so casually equate. *NM* Legolas - 06/02/2013 11:21:31 PM 397 Views
Is there? Without guns the rate of violence will fall heavily? Dark Knight - 06/02/2013 11:35:27 PM 811 Views
Yes, there is. Legolas - 06/02/2013 11:40:57 PM 734 Views
there are ways to reduce the violence but new guns laws are not one those ways random thoughts - 07/02/2013 04:29:01 AM 798 Views
best that we enforce the current laws then, as obama has directed in his executive orders moondog - 08/02/2013 05:59:22 PM 701 Views
violence, probably not as much as we would like. dead by gunshot? most assuredly so moondog - 06/02/2013 11:45:39 PM 712 Views
that is true but that is no excuse for feel good laws that do nothing but restrict rights random thoughts - 07/02/2013 04:24:34 AM 838 Views
I like how you say 'something more concrete' to describe 'nothing new' Isaac - 06/02/2013 10:38:35 PM 742 Views
i guess in this case "more concrete" means "not just swept under the rug anymore" moondog - 06/02/2013 11:38:52 PM 772 Views
I don't believe it has ever been swept under the rug in our lifetimes Isaac - 07/02/2013 12:40:55 AM 745 Views
we will have to continue to agree to disagree then moondog - 08/02/2013 06:06:38 PM 747 Views
This has more to do with resenting all the "...and another thing!" threads on the subject of late. Isaac - 09/02/2013 12:18:27 AM 779 Views
the nature of this forum prevents single threaded topics.... moondog - 09/02/2013 02:29:31 PM 751 Views
Your point being? Killing people is whole point of guns. Cannoli - 07/02/2013 12:02:24 AM 751 Views
You actually buy the bull**** the NRA tries to peddle? Blaine - 08/02/2013 08:00:40 PM 976 Views
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