God is a perfectly good reason to not fund a research program, when it is a matter of ethics. I don't know the details and I don't have a quote here so you're making a pretty strong assertion I'm not in a position to discuss or rebut. Religion as motivator is just fine by me, I'm religious, and it depends on the argument, "God frowns on abortion and fetal stem cell research" just isn't the same as "God says the Earth is flat" and I consider 'because God said so' one of the better reasons for moral stances. I need the specifics and if you're unwilling to give them I have to ask you withdraw the point.




That's mostly assertion, you consider them the worst. And yes I would view a deliberate attempt to topple the government to be treasonous, and removing its funding without proposing alternative funding or a removal of some of its obligations to be equivalent to that. I don't consider libertarians who want the government to do little else but build roads and maintain a defensive army to be treasonous and you toss the word around to casually.



Well it isn't treason, and again you're using the term very glibly. You think they are suggesting an EV method which will benefit them, I agree it probably will, but then by that same lights Dem attempts post-2000 to get states to back the winner of the popular vote would be the same thing and also by your reasoning treason. I have never thought let alone voiced such an accusation, that's an extreme charge, to me a traitor is a person to be hunted down, imprisoned, tried, and executed so when you tell me these guys are traitors you're telling me you thing their heads should be decorating pikes.




Rose colored indeed. It is true the left rarely uses religion to defund science and I don't think anyone uses 'just because' but the attitude of the left to Nuclear-anything and GMOs is pretty horrible in my view and it is religious for a lot of them. There may not be an official church of Gaia, Earth-mother, attended on Sundays by the average environmentalist but there are tons of those sorts who are as bad or worse then any anti-science types on the right. Probably worse, the left is convinced it is the party of science, reason, tolerance, and compassion and so when any infections of the opposite crop up they seem to go into severe denial.



Key words there "Obviously nothing like the US economy", and the various attempts at austerity have also resulted in governments being replaced and the measures never implemented. You need to get a bit more specific, again, and stop simply saying 'this vague and non-specific case proves my point'. Also, you really need to quit the irrational and insane implications. The GOP does not agree with the current administration's goals, and thus aims to prevent them coming to pass or to strike the best bargain otherwise, that's called 'healthy and normal behavior'.




Again, get specific and with citation or stop simply saying this stuff. You raise Akin, how about Cynthia McKinney? You're just ranting, and it's a bit offensive to have my civility and rationality challenged by someone displaying not too much of either. For the record, I am not terribly fond of VAWA and the way it has been used on some things, I am opposed to abortion in cases of rape and incest too, and I have no idea what is a 'legitimate' rape case. When I first heard the term I thought he might be discussing false accusations or low-evidence convictions rather than whatever. You cite someone who found themselves burned at the stake by the GOP within a day of making the remark as though the remark should be held against us, and that's irrational and absurd.



Again you're really just ranting non-specifically, I could replace every word in there with Dem for GOP and Green for TEA and hear a refrain of people who tell me how evil democrats are. I prefer to stick to reality. Democrats and republicans are mostly reasonable and very passionate, and I will not get into the mental trap of thinking my opposition is inferior in terms of morality, sanity, or intelligence. I've never needed to use that sort of crutch to argue my views.

You say you took the deep breath I advised but it seems like you just used it to catch your breath to scream some more.