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Re: the difference is the focus of the organizations Isaac Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 12:40:38 AM
if politicians and evil businessmen are equally corrupt and evil, what advantage is there to handing it over to a group also known for doing a somewhat dull job?


when a private company's only incentive to provide health insurance is a monetary one, then they can set the rules that govern the acquisition of health care. this includes deciding that certain practices and/or treatments are unnecessary and refusing treatment to patients who desperately need the service in order to get their health in balance.

when a government agency is given incentive to provide health insurance, they are not bound by profit as the private company would be, therefore their level of care is designed more towards actually providing the health care that people are asking for, not refusing treatment based on an arbitrary formula in order to maximize their margins. i highly doubt the government is going to deny a transplant to someone dying of cancer only to approve it later because of public pressure the way a private insurer would


I could definetly see the government denying treatment then changing it's mind from public pressure, ironically it would probably be wrong to do so in many of those cases. It's like a lot of government funding for disease research, because of public opinion many diseases receive massively large funds per death then others. Transfering funds away from one to fund more popular ones is tantamount to mass murder.

LEt us be realistic here, either way there will be a place for judgement calls that land on some bureacrats desk who will lokk at his data and his guidelines and make a decision. The squeaky wheel will get oiled often though, if someone makes a media firestorm over it. From a practical POV, that analyst probably made the right call, or does so 9 times out of 10. But the phone calls come in and in case A the PR team comes in and tells the CEO to bail waiter, and in case B the re-election comitee comes in and does so. I don't really see too substantial a difference, except the CEO probably has a bit more room to ignore public opinion, that can be a good or bad thing, case by case.
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Senate Finance Committee Votes Against Government-Run Health Insurance Plan trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 09:08:40 PM 878 Views
I just hope this doesn't squash all health-care reform attempts LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:12:15 PM 598 Views
It definitely needs work, but not scrapped..... trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 09:16:32 PM 608 Views
Opinion polls with health care have huge swings depending on how it's phrased Jragghen - 29/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 696 Views
Polls are horrid evidence in my mind LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:32:58 PM 606 Views
Re: Polls are horrid evidence in my mind Isaac - 29/09/2009 10:12:26 PM 778 Views
From a government employee: Nice post *NM* scalius - 29/09/2009 10:17:48 PM 257 Views
Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 10:29:13 PM 543 Views
Re: Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said Isaac - 29/09/2009 11:21:21 PM 661 Views
Re: Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said Jragghen - 29/09/2009 11:40:42 PM 699 Views
his statements on health care are precisely my point, but much more well stated. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 11:54:29 PM 256 Views
the difference is the focus of the organizations moondog - 29/09/2009 11:44:56 PM 654 Views
Re: the difference is the focus of the organizations Isaac - 30/09/2009 12:40:38 AM 666 Views
Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 11:44:58 PM 656 Views
Re: Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO Isaac - 30/09/2009 12:28:36 AM 638 Views
that the private sector has a long history of abusing both customer and employee *NM* LadyLorraine - 30/09/2009 03:46:03 AM 249 Views
That's indisbutable Isaac - 30/09/2009 05:55:45 PM 623 Views
And that's all I'm saying LadyLorraine - 30/09/2009 07:08:04 PM 582 Views
Re: And that's all I'm saying Isaac - 01/10/2009 03:10:02 AM 624 Views
It doesn't work at all Brian - 30/09/2009 04:27:44 AM 664 Views
i have yet to see any evidence of malpractice insurance being a driving cost of health care moondog - 30/09/2009 05:27:34 AM 685 Views
When the malpractice insurance can cost well over $100k a year of course it effects the costs. Brian - 30/09/2009 06:21:29 AM 668 Views
it's not THAT they pay malpractice LadyLorraine - 30/09/2009 02:00:04 PM 530 Views
but doctors are *required* to buy malpractice insurance moondog - 30/09/2009 04:13:08 PM 596 Views
that's completely moot to the situation malpractice insurance causes. LadyLorraine - 30/09/2009 04:21:42 PM 547 Views
hooray, we're going to continue in mediocrity when it comes to our health moondog - 29/09/2009 10:15:00 PM 661 Views
Yes, it's comforting to see that we are only rated 37th... Danu - 29/09/2009 11:14:33 PM 577 Views
That is a decade old and horribly discredited citation Isaac - 29/09/2009 11:46:51 PM 753 Views
regardless, we still spend a lot more on health care while having too many uncovered people moondog - 29/09/2009 11:56:24 PM 569 Views
My objection, in this context, is strictly about references Isaac - 30/09/2009 12:13:40 AM 581 Views
i understand your point about the reference moondog - 30/09/2009 12:54:25 AM 635 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference Isaac - 30/09/2009 01:15:30 AM 687 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference NaClH2O - 30/09/2009 12:24:45 PM 684 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference Isaac - 30/09/2009 06:29:09 PM 689 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference NaClH2O - 30/09/2009 10:57:36 PM 643 Views
Interesting... Isaac - 01/10/2009 12:09:35 AM 577 Views
So basically you are saying? NaClH2O - 01/10/2009 01:10:22 AM 528 Views
Basically... Isaac - 01/10/2009 02:52:51 AM 550 Views
Hooray! The government isn't going to get directly involved and make HC even worse! *NM* trzaska2000 - 30/09/2009 01:03:50 AM 251 Views
yes, heaven forbid we take care of our own *NM* moondog - 30/09/2009 04:13:50 PM 251 Views
looks l;ike they found some bipartisan spirit after all random thoughts - 29/09/2009 10:35:55 PM 579 Views
Definitely wouldn't want to "denigrate" Health Care... Dannymac - 30/09/2009 02:46:19 PM 545 Views
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