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last thoughts..... moondog Send a noteboard - 08/01/2013 05:18:35 PM
Beyond that I obviously don't want us to have less guns, I have to point out that with 200+ million guns the price of a a buy back would easy run mid two to low three digits of billions. And most studies I have seen have shown that it doesn't effect crime rates much.

are you assuming getting fair market value for each gun? maybe then it would run into the hundreds of billions. and that's assuming a buy back of every single gun in circulation. it's not necessary to buy back every single gun, just the ones people want to part with. as you are always so quick to point out, we still have a constitutional right to keep guns in this country. there is no scenario i can imagine where the government would buy back every single gun in existence. as i've said before, the concept is to minimize the destructiveness of having so many guns in circulation, not to forcibly take everyone's guns away from them if they are responsible owners.


If we're not buying back the majority of them, and thus not straining the budget much, then one has difficulty seeing how a limited buy back would eliminate having so many guns in circulation. San Francisco did one of these, got 400 guns, don't know how many are in San Fran, probably less than the nearly 1:1 ratio country-wide, but even if it were a tenth the normal we'd still be talking about a program that accounted for less than 1 in 1000 of the guns in the city. You seem to be suggesting a token program that burns money to no purpose.


on the contrary, i see gun buy backs as a similar service to the fed destroying money that can no longer be spent. getting excess guns out of circulation is, by default, making gun crime less likely.


I just don't see that petty crime as minor. Still, you are likely right on this being a futile conversation, neither of us a raging fanatic convinced the other is a drooling idiot nor are either of us likely to budge, so we are probably wasting our mutual breath. You have presented good arguments, but I do not find them compelling. I imagine you feel vice-versa about the latter and hopefully the former as well.


i understand you see this as primarily a personal rights issue, and i see this as primarily a public safety issue. there is plenty of room for both of us to be satisfied that our viewpoints are being upheld. the laws we have provide plenty of regulation of the other amendments, there is no reason the 2nd should be exempt from the same treatment.

i would say our debate is still stacked in your favor as i do not believe that guns should not exist at all, nor do i believe that all guns should be banned, or that people should have their guns taken from them without a valid legal framework such as felony conviction or other such lawful procedures. even so, i would hope that you can also see that we need stronger regulation of firearms if for no other reason than to try to keep the criminal element from getting their hands on them.
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Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM 407 Views
I have this to say about that... - 28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM 771 Views
That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year - 28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM 550 Views
Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM* - 28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM 271 Views
See my response to Novo. - 28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM 641 Views
please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies. - 28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM 594 Views
Great read, thanks for posting! *NM* - 28/12/2012 05:52:29 PM 278 Views
Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed it a lot - 29/12/2012 01:36:33 AM 561 Views
his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now" - 07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM 624 Views
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Re: moral has nothing to do with it, imho - 08/01/2013 05:40:46 AM 533 Views
last thoughts..... - 08/01/2013 05:18:35 PM 558 Views
Well I was referring more to the timing of collecting data. - 29/12/2012 04:28:01 AM 748 Views
Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney? - 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM 678 Views
Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM 288 Views

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