I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral
Isaac Send a noteboard - 07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM
sorry, i don't think "let's just give up" is a viable strategy for preventing gun violence....
'Let's not give up' always sounds like a good cheer unless the cause sucks or is actually hopeless. I happen to think both are true, sucky and hopeless, but you're making an emotional appeal while using the term 'viable', like 'practical', when I can think of few things further from practical then seizing existing firearms. There are more guns then cars and they're very easily concealed on someone's property even if we were willing to turn out the police and/or military to search everyone's house one by one in detail. There is such a thing as realism, even if I thought we should confiscate all firearms I can barely imagine the sort of manpower we'd need to seize them all or how many billions of dollars would be needed to do a 'buy back' for those willing or how much more for those searches. Prohibitions have not worked very well in this country.
in each country which has enacted stronger controls, a buy back was exactly what they did first before applying the related laws. buy backs work, whether you like them or not. local law enforcement around the country have been successfully using a buy back program for quite some time, there is no reason why this could not be done on a national scale.
Beyond that I obviously don't want us to have less guns, I have to point out that with 200+ million guns the price of a a buy back would easy run mid two to low three digits of billions. And most studies I have seen have shown that it doesn't effect crime rates much.
also, i would argue that previous prohibitions have not worked in the US because they have not been done very thoughtfully. the "war on drugs" being one of the biggest prohibition failures in our history but yet we keep on trying the same failed policies and expecting different results. i don't think it's fair to keep throwing our hands up after each gun death and saying "we can't do anything about it". arming everyone will never be the correct solution.
You're making a case by assertion there, not backing it up with data and facts. You might consider this stuff obvious but it isn't to me, I am not against prohibition on guns, booze, drugs, etc out of hand, but I'm not much of a fan and I like to see evidence it would be effective. To me, from what I have seen, gun prohibitions have not been effective, and have even been counter-effective when you pull the rug off the hidden dust of prevented crimes, which the gun control crowd seems to do everything it can to ignore. Why is this type of prohibition more effective then others? What evidence is there?
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Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably
- 28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM
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Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM
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I have this to say about that...
- 28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM
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That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year
- 28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM
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Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM
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See my response to Novo.
- 28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM
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please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies.
- 28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM
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I cited two in response to her, and those were just the ones I remember off the top of my head.
- 28/12/2012 11:07:36 PM
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If you can't remember them, then don't claim them *NM*
- 29/12/2012 03:08:08 AM
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Two just from memory is enough to substantiate my claim.
- 29/12/2012 03:35:49 AM
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'Substantiate your claim'? I don't think you're lying, I just don't feel any reason to be swayed...
- 29/12/2012 04:00:10 AM
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The 2 things you attempted to "cite" were absolute nonsense and proved nothing.
- 31/12/2012 06:00:00 PM
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Re: I have this to say about that...
- 28/12/2012 05:23:44 PM
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Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill
- 28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM
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Still losing the gun debate and it's driving you a little crazy isn't it! 
- 28/12/2012 06:40:51 PM
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- 28/12/2012 06:40:51 PM
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Gallup: 58% want more gun control; Ipsos: 70% want more gun control, 90% want background checks.
- 28/12/2012 10:29:50 PM
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..and 100% want to win the lottery, but it isn't going to happen.
- 05/01/2013 02:17:50 PM
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Re: I have this to say about that...Actually, modern military weapons are constructed to wound
- 29/12/2012 08:43:49 PM
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Yeah, uh, no. Not until you do some serious background checks on teachers.
- 29/12/2012 01:00:20 AM
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GOP estimates of teacher competence have increased to the point of giving them concealed guns.
- 29/12/2012 02:36:08 AM
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You know the GOP is unlikely to object to background check on teachers, the unions might
- 29/12/2012 02:56:06 AM
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his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now"
- 07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM
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I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true
- 07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM
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i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle
- 07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM
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I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral
- 07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM
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moral has nothing to do with it, imho
- 07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM
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Data is data my friend. Please feel free to present your own data if you would like. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 05:49:09 PM
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Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney?
- 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM
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- 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM
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Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM
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The goddamn frigging election. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 07:13:04 PM
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Oh, was the NRA running for something? Good grief, was a ridiculous reach. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 08:07:56 PM
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No, but it shows Gallup polls are horseshit. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 08:48:12 PM
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No it doesn't, it only shows that Romney was more awful of a candidate than Obama was. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 09:14:00 PM
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Not according to Gallup, just most US voters; Gallup DOES say 58% of the US wants more gun control.
- 28/12/2012 10:22:19 PM
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Yes. Most of us aren't against guns per se; we're against the inane concepts of gun "shows"
- 29/12/2012 01:06:50 AM
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Exactly, crazy libs like Joel want to get rid of all guns, but normal Americans.....
- 29/12/2012 01:36:00 AM
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Too bad the radical fringe on both sides drowns us both out so well.
- 29/12/2012 02:25:31 AM
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Previous polling failures by Gallup are evidence for the claim that Gallup polls are flawed.
- 29/12/2012 01:05:08 AM
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Gallup was Romney +1 with +/- 4% on Election Day.....turned out Obama +3.
- 29/12/2012 01:33:45 AM
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So what I don't understand about this whole teachers with gun thing
- 30/12/2012 12:42:05 AM
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It would strictly be voluntary
- 30/12/2012 03:02:18 AM
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You seriously don't think a linebacker can take a gun off a 5' teacher?He can just punch her.
- 30/12/2012 09:45:05 AM
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He can already punch her, not all schools are high schools and that's not the norm for spree killers
- 30/12/2012 03:05:55 PM
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Leveling that playing field is much of the point of guns.
- 05/01/2013 05:43:47 PM
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You aren't familiar with guns if you think that a large male can't disarm a woman who has one.
- 07/01/2013 10:14:21 AM
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Well Paul Ali Slater didn't, disarming is risky, and he seems familiar enough with them to me *NM*
- 07/01/2013 01:25:28 PM
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