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Re: Home made explosives are pretty much always illegal; I did not want to overlook legal ones. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 29/12/2012 03:31:01 PM
Only to gun control opponents: The illegality of home made explosives makes anyone caught with them subject to imprisonment WITHOUT committing any additional crimes (i.e. murder.) Turns out, explosive are not really the BEST way to murder lots of people, because if anyone catches a person with them before the fact, they are done. Guns present no such problem, because anyone can walk up to an unlicensed arms dealer at a gunshow and say, "Hi, I am only 8, and legally blind, but I also have $500 bucks, so sell me a gun—actually, here is $500 more; my invisible friend says he wants one, too."

Possession of an illegal firearm is also a felony. What is your point? The Connecticut shooter (I refuse to use his name) committed about 45 different felonies BEFORE he pulled the trigger at the school. I simply was pointing out that explosives, poisons, and incendiaries are a much more efficient way to kill large amounts of people (why do you think suicide bombers are so popular in the Middle East), and you start rambling on about federal regulations necessary to purchase legal explosives. I do not get your logic. What is required to legally do something has almost no bearing on the actions of someone who is already intending to violently break a different set of laws.

Depends on the explosive, and the size of explosion desired. You could always just make the mug out of C-4—but you will need a federal license and registration for the C-4, unlike your guns.
The chemicals in the C4 would probably alter the flavor of my coffee, and the heat of the brew would soften the C4 material making it unwieldy. To me, this would be a sin. Your lack of reverence for that oh so perfect an elixir, known as coffee, is endangering your soul.

That does not follow; I did not say other countries with high per capita gun ownership had low homicide (much less crime) rates, I said those with extensive gun control had lowER rates than the US, despite high per capita gun ownership. Gun control does not prevent them having more guns than almost all other countries (surprise, surprise,) it just prevents those guns being used for murder (and suicide.)

You do realize that the countries you are referring to don't regulate gun ownership like everyone is talking about here, they ISSUE fully automatic rifles (which have required expensive federal license in the US since ~1934, and new weapons banned since ~1986), and ammunition to every adult. If it is your position that every adult male in the US should be issued a TRUE assault riffle, and attend annual mandatory training with it, I'll join you on your crusade. Until then I am still waiting for you to find an example of a country with high gun regulations (removing weapons from honest citizens) and low crime rates. Or even better, a country in which a previously armed citizenry was disarmed, and crime rates went down (hell, I'll cut you some slack and even allow "remained unchanged" ). I suggest you start looking in fantasy novels, or parallel dimensions, because it has not happened on this planet.

Regulated is regulated; you, not I, are the one trying to remove that word from the Second Amendment.

Look up what regulated (in regards to militia) meant in the 1800s. it isn't what you think. I am not trying to remove anything, it just isn't relevant in the face of the plain statement that the "..right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It does NOT say "the right of the militia".

You have not explicitly made that argument, no, but you have strongly implied it by stating ALL gun regulation is unconstitutional and your opposition to amending the Constitution to rectify your incorrect reading of it.

I'm not necessarily against changing the 2nd amendment, though the degree that many (if not most) from the left would like to do so is abhorrent to me. I am just EXTREMELY against ignoring the Constitution (or with a wink-wink-nudge-nudge pretending that it allows something that it does not). The entire US Constitution is ~4600 words, isn't it ironic that many modern Supreme Court decisions (especially "controversial" ones) are 10 or 20 times as long. My desire is to do something that is right, and will actually work; not in doing something that will be popular among the base of a particular political party, or look good. MY issue is with turning the Constitution into a piece or meaningless origami. There is a process to alter the Constitution so that it addresses new issues, or change the way it handles existing ones. That process should be used instead of perverting the existing document with bullshit interpretations.
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Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM* - 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM 535 Views
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Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM 864 Views
umm... - 22/12/2012 12:41:31 PM 776 Views
1997 North Hollywood Shootout - 22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM 945 Views
typical NRA bullshit response - 22/12/2012 04:53:40 AM 883 Views
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You covered a bunch of different things, and completely misrepresentted what I wrote - 28/12/2012 10:28:24 PM 876 Views
Home made explosives are pretty much always illegal; I did not want to overlook legal ones. - 28/12/2012 11:44:19 PM 1069 Views
Re: Home made explosives are pretty much always illegal; I did not want to overlook legal ones. - 29/12/2012 03:31:01 PM 818 Views
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Such laws were never intended for prevention, they define actions that will be punished. *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:57:57 PM 566 Views
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guns r stpid *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:39:30 AM 583 Views
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She was asleep with him in the house. - 23/12/2012 02:24:47 PM 890 Views
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*see previous grammar lesson* *NM* - 28/12/2012 10:31:43 PM 492 Views
The instant it becomes relevant, I shall. - 28/12/2012 11:45:01 PM 1001 Views
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It irritates me too. *NM* - 01/01/2013 01:55:05 PM 508 Views

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