I totally disagree with that, it is just wrong-headed
Isaac Send a noteboard - 29/12/2012 03:51:19 AM
That is the rule I was always taught.
And it is a rule that is transparently, obviously, stupidly wrong. 'Never point a gun at anyone where death is not an acceptable outcome' is one thing, but how about 'Don't move or I shoot!'? Seriously who the hell taught you that? Grab a dictionary, give it to them, and tell them to look up 'Bravado' and 'Escalation'. If I come home early and surprise a burglar, I'm totally justified in drawing and aiming on him and issuing a life or death ultimatum, that's pure common sense, that doesn't mean the best, let alone only, outcome is for me to squeeze the trigger.
1) An off duty COP (i.e. someone screened, trained and licensed to have a gun) stopping a shooting does not mean EVERYONE should be able to get a gun.
That's not the claim, that what you want it to be because you're being willfully blind, the claim is that probability of innocent people dying decreases proportional to the proximity of a gun to the situation in the hands of a competent wielder. Obviously more competent shooters improve that, just as a more competent spree killer decreases that. But to argue a gun in the hands of relatively unskilled wielder (which an absence of a badge hardly proves) would also imply that the spree killer, unless an off duty cop or ex-military, is also a minimal threat. Why is a spree killer somehow more gun talented then a civilian with a gun? What the fuck kind of logic is that? Plus, you point to the off duty cop example even though several examples weren't cops. That doesn't even make sense. You may as well say that because a sprinter once made it to a payphone to call in help in record time any non-athletes shouldn't even be allowed to run for a phone.
2) Gun control did not prevent the stabber in China attacking >20 kids, but probably did prevent ANY deaths (unlike in three US mass shootings since July.)
China's apparently had 7 such stabbing incidents in and around that one province in a handful of months, some with fatalities. Statistical outliers make bad examples, yes knives are less dangerous generally then gun, but there are cases of people opening up on full auto, draining an entire clip, and not injuring anyone. Under your logic that case proves gun control is pointless. Regardless, I don't actually trust a damn thing China says about its own internal security.
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Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably
28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM
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Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM*
28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM
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I have this to say about that...
28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM
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That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year
28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM
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Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM*
28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM
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See my response to Novo.
28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM
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please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies.
28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM
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I cited two in response to her, and those were just the ones I remember off the top of my head.
28/12/2012 11:07:36 PM
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If you can't remember them, then don't claim them *NM*
29/12/2012 03:08:08 AM
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Two just from memory is enough to substantiate my claim.
29/12/2012 03:35:49 AM
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'Substantiate your claim'? I don't think you're lying, I just don't feel any reason to be swayed...
29/12/2012 04:00:10 AM
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The 2 things you attempted to "cite" were absolute nonsense and proved nothing.
31/12/2012 06:00:00 PM
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Re: I have this to say about that...
28/12/2012 05:23:44 PM
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Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill
28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM
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Still losing the gun debate and it's driving you a little crazy isn't it!
28/12/2012 06:40:51 PM
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Gallup: 58% want more gun control; Ipsos: 70% want more gun control, 90% want background checks.
28/12/2012 10:29:50 PM
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..and 100% want to win the lottery, but it isn't going to happen.
05/01/2013 02:17:50 PM
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I totally disagree with that, it is just wrong-headed
29/12/2012 03:51:19 AM
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Re: I have this to say about that...Actually, modern military weapons are constructed to wound
29/12/2012 08:43:49 PM
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Yeah, uh, no. Not until you do some serious background checks on teachers.
29/12/2012 01:00:20 AM
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GOP estimates of teacher competence have increased to the point of giving them concealed guns.
29/12/2012 02:36:08 AM
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You know the GOP is unlikely to object to background check on teachers, the unions might
29/12/2012 02:56:06 AM
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his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now"
07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM
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I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true
07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM
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i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle
07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM
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I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral
07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM
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moral has nothing to do with it, imho
07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM
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Data is data my friend. Please feel free to present your own data if you would like. *NM*
28/12/2012 05:49:09 PM
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Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney?
28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM
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Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM*
28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM
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The goddamn frigging election. *NM*
28/12/2012 07:13:04 PM
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Oh, was the NRA running for something? Good grief, was a ridiculous reach. *NM*
28/12/2012 08:07:56 PM
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No, but it shows Gallup polls are horseshit. *NM*
28/12/2012 08:48:12 PM
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No it doesn't, it only shows that Romney was more awful of a candidate than Obama was. *NM*
28/12/2012 09:14:00 PM
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Not according to Gallup, just most US voters; Gallup DOES say 58% of the US wants more gun control.
28/12/2012 10:22:19 PM
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Yes. Most of us aren't against guns per se; we're against the inane concepts of gun "shows"
29/12/2012 01:06:50 AM
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Exactly, crazy libs like Joel want to get rid of all guns, but normal Americans.....
29/12/2012 01:36:00 AM
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Too bad the radical fringe on both sides drowns us both out so well.
29/12/2012 02:25:31 AM
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Previous polling failures by Gallup are evidence for the claim that Gallup polls are flawed.
29/12/2012 01:05:08 AM
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Gallup was Romney +1 with +/- 4% on Election Day.....turned out Obama +3.
29/12/2012 01:33:45 AM
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So what I don't understand about this whole teachers with gun thing
30/12/2012 12:42:05 AM
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It would strictly be voluntary
30/12/2012 03:02:18 AM
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You seriously don't think a linebacker can take a gun off a 5' teacher?He can just punch her.
30/12/2012 09:45:05 AM
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He can already punch her, not all schools are high schools and that's not the norm for spree killers
30/12/2012 03:05:55 PM
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Leveling that playing field is much of the point of guns.
05/01/2013 05:43:47 PM
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You aren't familiar with guns if you think that a large male can't disarm a woman who has one.
07/01/2013 10:14:21 AM
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Well Paul Ali Slater didn't, disarming is risky, and he seems familiar enough with them to me *NM*
07/01/2013 01:25:28 PM
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