Active Users:643 Time:21/09/2024 03:55:59 AM
Voter registration while getting a drivers license is distinct from the ease of licensing. Joel Send a noteboard - 28/12/2012 03:35:34 PM
I don't even have to get the photo changed (it is about 15 years old). I haven't had a drivers liscense eye exam since I was 15 1/2 andd got my learners permit. I wear glasses now, I didn't then.

You can renew/replace your license online? I am not sure how to feel about that. For some reason I had to surrender mine to replace it with a Norwegian equivalent, and am wondering whether I can just get it replaced next time I am in TX, or must retake the whole test. I have not bothered to check though, because I know I must retake the eye exam regardless, and, as you note, cannot do so from the other side of an ocean.

Along with "motor voter" which would allow you to register to vote, but of course there are no illegal aliens voting in Tennessee elections... never mind the cottage industry of tour buses that traveled from south Texas to Memphis (where you could visit a Post Office Express, get your no ID motor-voter license {test offerd in Spanish}, apply for TN-Care {medicaid} and food stamps all in about 2 hours).

I believe you may be conflating separate issues. Pretty sure the last thing this thread needs is another partisan wedge issue. ;)

Whether illegal aliens can illegally register to vote too easily is certainly distinct from whether it is easier to get a drivers license than a gun. Not that I am averse to that protracted partisan debate, but I doubt anything I say will change anyones mind any more than it did the last thousand times. A McCain advisor has publicly admitted voter fraud does not exist: http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/11/10/gop-strategist-admits-no-voter-fraud/

Long time anti-fraud advocate John Fund recently told a Heritage Foundation conference on the subject that "Everytime you see a truly massive, coordinated effort at voter fraud, it usually relies in part on absentee voter fraud," yet "I think it is a fair argument of some liberals that there are some people who emphasize the voter ID part more than the absentee ballot part because supposedly Republicans like absentee ballots more and they don’t want to restrict that.” "Some people" in this case means "virtually every single anti-fraud law passed in the last two years." The loudest "foes" of voter fraud ignore absentee fraud, even though it is MORE COMMON THAN ALL OTHER FRAUD COMBINED, because all absentee ballots skew heavily Republican.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/john_fund_republicans_voter_id.php

It is not about fighting non-existent fraud, it is about helping the Republican Party. If you do not believe me, perhaps you will believe Romney strategist Scott Tranter, who recently said, "A lot of us are campaign officials -- or campaign professionals -- and we want to do everything we can to help our side. Sometimes we think that's voter ID, sometimes we think that's longer lines -- whatever it may be...."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/republican-voter-id-scott-tranter_n_2273927.html

No mention of fraud, just helping the GOP. We can go there, but it serves no purpose; even when senior GOP advisors and leading GOP anti-fraud activists admit the truth on video we still end up debating whether it actually happened. Again, cognitive dissonance is rapidaly approaching the level of outright denial.

Florida absolutely won't pass any legislation that might "hurt" (inconvienence)seniors. The senior population is a VERY large and influential voting block.

As for TN, I don't know what they don't retest, but they don't. probably for similar reasons. As soon as a state tries that they will have the AARP and ACLU all over them.

When I worked retail, what I really hated was the no photo senior IDs. How the hell am I supposed to make sure that someone is not using their stolen ID Aand ripping them off if there is no freaking picture??? I had a little old lady get all up in my face once.

Uhhhhh, where were we.... ohhh shiney...

States have not only tried, but many (e.g. TX) have succeeded despite the AARP (I am not sure why the ACLU would even be involved; driving is not a civil right.) The efforts were primarily aimed at elderly people with failing vision, so someone who passed the vision test and got a license 70 years ago cannot continually get new ones long after they become legally blind. I can see what that change might be difficult to implement in FL for the reasons you state, but cannot imagine why TN or most other states would have such problems.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Reply to message
When guns are a big national issue, how do reporters & pundits not know facts about them? - 21/12/2012 05:33:14 PM 1512 Views
You don't hunt by walking into a classroom and shooting 20 deer - 21/12/2012 05:56:16 PM 969 Views
You're actually not right on that one - 21/12/2012 07:49:53 PM 895 Views
That wasn't the point I was making - 21/12/2012 09:49:40 PM 843 Views
You should probably clarify it then - 21/12/2012 10:47:26 PM 997 Views
His post was perfectly clear. Yours seemed like a response to an entirely different post. - 21/12/2012 10:53:39 PM 1155 Views
Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM* - 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM 519 Views
I think - 21/12/2012 11:13:34 PM 828 Views
Thats' easy, there is simply no such thing as a 'hunting rifle' - 21/12/2012 11:17:41 PM 838 Views
I'd say the expert gunsmith - 21/12/2012 11:28:02 PM 877 Views
I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 10:57:35 PM 842 Views
Re: I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 11:25:04 PM 897 Views
Oh I wasn't commenting on the standard of people here - 21/12/2012 11:29:36 PM 810 Views
you're largely correct, which is why we need stronger laws on ownership not guns per se - 21/12/2012 09:39:14 PM 808 Views
I can't think of a better reason than self defense - 21/12/2012 10:33:26 PM 866 Views
He is right about Australia - 21/12/2012 10:46:27 PM 846 Views
No kidding - 21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM 831 Views
If you knew all that - 21/12/2012 11:02:38 PM 861 Views
I think you are on the right track, but to the wrong destination; "lethal weapon" is redundant. - 21/12/2012 11:05:29 PM 837 Views
My read is that the 2nd Amendment not only allows, but mandates, cop-killer bullets. - 22/12/2012 12:45:04 AM 878 Views
Does the Second Amendment protect the rights of felons and the mentally incompetent to have guns? - 22/12/2012 02:35:16 AM 1042 Views
Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 03:02:18 AM 768 Views
Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM 827 Views
Yes people can always still kill each other, humans are very ingenuitive - 22/12/2012 04:42:04 AM 798 Views
I took a driving exam when I was 16, and have never been tested since, nor will I ever be. - 23/12/2012 01:17:05 PM 947 Views
Never is a long time; just renewing a license requires retaking the eye exam most places. - 23/12/2012 02:16:54 PM 864 Views
Rather hard to do an eye exam online or through the mail. - 26/12/2012 03:08:06 PM 948 Views
Yes, it is, which is why I have always had to go by DPS for a new license. - 26/12/2012 03:50:04 PM 778 Views
Tennessee and Florida pass them out like candy. For several years TN offered a no ID license - 26/12/2012 08:02:39 PM 786 Views
I still find it odd they require no eye test, that either allows the blind drivers licenses. - 26/12/2012 08:58:57 PM 825 Views
Oh yeah, we have wandered off course *shrug* - 27/12/2012 03:55:55 PM 936 Views
Voter registration while getting a drivers license is distinct from the ease of licensing. - 28/12/2012 03:35:34 PM 908 Views
umm... - 22/12/2012 12:41:31 PM 741 Views
1997 North Hollywood Shootout - 22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM 911 Views
Laws against murder failed to prevent that, too; clearly they are ineffective and should be repealed - 22/12/2012 06:02:24 AM 962 Views
Such laws were never intended for prevention, they define actions that will be punished. *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:57:57 PM 550 Views
So do laws against getting a gun without screening, training and certification. - 23/12/2012 02:01:32 PM 782 Views
Then CHANGE the Constitution, don't ignore it. *NM* - 26/12/2012 03:12:11 PM 487 Views
I am not suggesting either changing or ignoring the Constitution. - 26/12/2012 04:01:02 PM 891 Views
Yes you are. - 26/12/2012 08:06:01 PM 690 Views
Learn logic, and stop needlessly trying to teach me grammar. - 26/12/2012 08:55:25 PM 855 Views
Lear to read, and I won't have to - 27/12/2012 04:28:59 PM 916 Views
You are wrong. - 22/12/2012 12:14:40 PM 866 Views
That explains much; I read somewhere Brits are averse to it. - 22/12/2012 01:17:15 PM 784 Views
We're also averse to being wrong. - 22/12/2012 02:53:49 PM 863 Views
So you say... - 22/12/2012 03:32:16 PM 786 Views
guns r stpid *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:39:30 AM 571 Views
What bemuses me about this thing with Adam Lanza, is that his mother had 5 registered guns - 23/12/2012 07:10:26 AM 883 Views
She was asleep with him in the house. - 23/12/2012 02:24:47 PM 857 Views
LOOK, look, there is another one... - 26/12/2012 03:13:45 PM 798 Views
I find the absolutist ant/pro-gun positions equally dangerous and absurd. - 26/12/2012 04:20:37 PM 772 Views
So we should just *kinda* ignore the Constitution *this* time... But what about NEXT time... - 26/12/2012 08:08:12 PM 756 Views
No, we should enact gun regulation the Constitution explicitly empowers. - 26/12/2012 09:02:12 PM 772 Views
Which would be... NONE. *NM* - 27/12/2012 04:31:53 PM 491 Views
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...." - 28/12/2012 05:14:49 PM 770 Views
*see previous grammar lesson* *NM* - 28/12/2012 10:31:43 PM 476 Views
The instant it becomes relevant, I shall. - 28/12/2012 11:45:01 PM 957 Views
Your point being? - 27/12/2012 10:47:29 AM 756 Views
Facts are irrelevant when FUD is the order of the day. - 24/12/2012 04:34:18 PM 763 Views
It irritates me too. *NM* - 01/01/2013 01:55:05 PM 492 Views

Reply to Message