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Well I can't say it surprises Isaac Send a noteboard - 27/12/2012 04:29:06 AM
The Observable Universe is a significant, but rather anthrocentric, distinction. Considering existence literally from a human perspective inevitably puts us at its center, but that is an arbitrary perspective with little logical justification or likelihood of accuracy. What do Dark Matter and Energy do to the Observable Universe? :P


Well observable and actual are a bit more tied here since once something red shifts outside our light cone it is effectively gone forever in all conceivable respects, it may as well be in another universe except that I find it vaguely more probable we'd find a way to enter alternate universes than reach those places.

As an aside, if we further simplify "cogito ergo sum" to a phenomenological rather than identity statement it is a rigorously established fact; debating it at all proves at least one phenomenon of SOME kind is occuring. Logically progressing from there to a particular identity is arguably as challenging as taking the same route from Deism to a particular creed, but the basic assertion of existence is unassailable. Details and definitions are the tricky (but fascinating) part.


From a logic standpoint I view it as part of the logic train that concludes by stating as an unprovable but necessary assumption that you can draw meaningful conclusions about the world around you from the data your senses offer processed through your mind.

Also I've always felt Data's character was poorly done. Though through no fault of Brent Spiner, good actor, that man.

It got better as both actor and character developed, but we literally just finished watching Nemesis, so I will hear not a word against my fellow Houstonian. O^


He is a good actor but one doesn't see him in much, and ST: Nemesis was not a stellar movie IMHO


I misspelled "achievement." *self-flaggelates* :P I think we are essentially on the same page here though, yes. Since I am far more supportive of requiring legal competence for all weapons than of banning any, the semi/full auto distinction is more a matter of casual curiosity and pedantry for me anyway.


It's establishing legal competence that's my sticking point, find me a good way to do it - doesn't have to be airtight, nothing ever is - and I'd likely change my tune.

My rule of thumb is anything that needs machining is not quick and easy for most people; anything else is practical for those knowledgeable enough to succeed. ;)


I suppose so, our problem is while brains can help one triumph so can fanatical dedication to a purpose, and that's not a rare trait among mass murderers. Also, components of a device need not be high-grade metal, a substitution of plastic or wood is conceptually doable and for a few components wouldn't make a lick of difference whereas for others it might wear out relatively fast but not so fats you couldn't empty multiple clips and swap in a spare to do it some more. A wooden mallet might be crappy for pounding in nails but will do the job decent enough if a metal one isn't available.

In one of the umpteen thousand threads on the topic, one person responded with "I guess you could, if you started with a full-auto sear. Which kinda defeats the purpose..." Of course, AR-15s lead right back to our above discussion about the ease of "unconverting" a weapon originally fully automatic in the first place. Again, I have not spent much time looking, but each mention I have seen of converting a gun to full auto, even people just seeking instruction, always referenced automatics factory-modified to civilian semi-autos. I find that highly suggestive of the difficulty in converting a gun semi-auto by design, though perhaps it is just another case where it is easier and more sensible to buy what one wants instead of buying something one does NOT want and MAKING it into the desired item.


Almost always easier to retro-retrofit something I imagine. As mentioned, converting weapons to fully auto is something I know about mostly tangentially. The notion that full auto is inherently better than semi or burst fire is not one I subscribe to. Still the core mechanics are simple enough. I'd have to know 'the defeated purpose' being referred to by that person, but the difficulty of a given project when it comes to mass murder is, IMO, always best weighed against the difficulty of making decent pipe bombs I suppose.

Frankly, the last guy struck me (and, it seemed, most responders) as a dangerous idiot anyway. He prefaced his "question" by stating, "I am not allowed to own a gun anyway," so he is probably a convicted felon seeking advice on how to illegally make his illegally obtained semi-auto full auto. When more knowledgeable people explained why filing the pin would not do that even if it were legal, it quickly became apparent he was not so much "asking a question" as trolling for answers to dispute. Maybe it is a self-correcting problem, since he is most likely to ruin his illegal obtained weapons if left to his own devices, but reading through the thread I kept thinking, This is why we need to require screening, training and certification for gun purchases.... ;)

Well he could be 17, guns and gun culture have phallic appeal for a lot of people and teenage boys tend to need that and go that route. Also there's a god awful lot of 'experts' out there who have never even held a M16 or AR 15 and even most who have assume expertise even though they've no idea of the mechanics.

"Gun store commandoes," as I saw one responder put it. Another person told a would-be automatic owner that "If anyone should file down their firing pin, it should be you." Since federal law sets no age limit for private rifle purchases though, I cannot help thinking the questioners criminal history is the reason he is not allowed to have a gun. It is interesting that supporters of both gun rights AND gun control (and I hope I have demonstrated they are not mutually exclusive) oppose felons, the mentally ill and the incompetent having guns—yet only the latter seem willing to DO anything about it. ;)


I know most of the right wing is quite willing to take them away from felons, because I break with them on that, I don't think they have a right to them but much like voting I'm a big believer in reasonable post-incarceration/parole periods before someone can get them back. Never saw much point in assuming the 50 year old who spent 18-25 in the slammer for virtually anything hasn't reasonably reformed if they made it from 25-50 without another 'mandatory vacation'. I think one has to acknowledge that a kleptomaniac, for instance, whether they did their vacation in a prison or a mental hospital, isn't really any worse of a candidate for gun ownership then the next Joe... unless their klepto impulses took on the form of armed robbery of course.

Anyway the core point there is that I personally, and speaking only for myself, have very grave and I think justified concerns about the fairly broad way people approach felon/mentally-ill/incompetent. If someone is good to be out on the streets at all, the status of those three ought to be fairly gray. What bugs me about this whole thing is - and I hate to say it - that these spree killings are simply poor justification for trying to alter our approach to problems that obviously aren't easily solved. We just don't have enough murderous madman for me to feel tinkering with civil rights (not just guns, because it's more then guns at that point) is warranted, considering the risks. I know I'm not alone here in remembering that we made it a pain in the ass to commit people to asylums for some very good reasons.

"Who does the screening?" always strikes me as a copout. Obviously, a government licensing authority, though I have no problem with a federal law empowering states to do that individually according to a uniform federal standard, so long as the feds fund each such state effort adequately (i.e. the last thing we need is a NCLB for guns.) In other words, gun screening would be conducted by the equivalent of the same people who screen explosives purchases, drivers licenses and everything else that constitutes a serious threat to public safety in the hands of incompetent and/or irresponsible owners.


The whole problem there is that you get into the whole 'if the shit hits the fan and we come under a dictatorship'. I personally have no problem with requiring ID to buy a weapon, same as booze, its the idea that the gov't could keep a record of who bought what, it's too close to not keeping a record of who voted but how they voted. Like a little logo on the Driver's license indicating the person could legally buy firearms and a database at the BMV or whoever of who couldn't wouldn't bug me at all, at that point I just don't want them to be in any realistic position to be able to make oppressive or arbitrary changes to who can buy.

This doesn't mean all bets are off at organized control though, but non-gov't options are possible, if a few groups like the ACLU and NRA and so on banded together to create a voluntary ID and promised to destroy records if ever they could fall into bad hands, one could, say, offer a tax discount to places that only sold to people with that ID.

In any event, no progress will ever be made when control-favorers respond to "I don't trust the government" with "Well, you should" as the essential line of reasoning. Make more progress exploring other routes even if they might be viewed as inferior.

I am not talking mandatory interviews; I am libertarian enough to accept "presumption of sanity." However, where a documented RECORD exists, I do not believe it unreasonable, invasive or unconstitutional to check that record. That is to say, it is not a matter of proving one is sane and law-abiding before buying a weapon (I would never place the burden of proof on an individual to show their rights should NOT be denied,) but verifying there is no recorded proof one is NOT sane and law-abiding. All 50 states prohibit convicted felons buying or even owning guns—but why bother if gun buyers are on the honor system? Every employer in America knows asking whether someone is a convicted felon is pointless if no one ever bothers to CHECK. We keep records of that for a reason, y'know. ;)


Problem is most of our spree killers didn't have records that really stood out except in 20/20 hindsight.

Same with mental health: I think it reasonable to expect would-be gun owners release mental health records to a confidential state review board. Mental health treatment should not prevent the sale, but a record of diagnosed mental illness impairing judgement should. The board should also be required to purge its own records of peoples confidential data immediately after review. Psychiatric medicine is far from perfect but, as you say, is what it is; if you are worried about improper loss of civil liberties on that basis, worry more about people being involuntary committed than denied guns. I do not think the proper solution to mentally ill gun owners is "let them have guns, but kill them as soon as they attack someone."


I wouldn't scream if we did that, I just doubt it would be all that effective, since you would need a standardized mental health database and even a lot of pro-control sorts would have entirely different reasons for screaming holy hell about that.

As I said, from my perspective most of the proposed control methods - even the pretty reasonable ones - strike me as invariably being very half assed patches that don't have the potential to do very much and come with a lot of foreseeable 'uh-ohs' and God alone knows how many unforeseen consequences. I think the best solution is just to have more guns in normal citizen hands outside the home, make training easy to get, and just start trying to build up the cultural faux pas around reckless usage.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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When guns are a big national issue, how do reporters & pundits not know facts about them? - 21/12/2012 05:33:14 PM 1532 Views
You don't hunt by walking into a classroom and shooting 20 deer - 21/12/2012 05:56:16 PM 985 Views
You're actually not right on that one - 21/12/2012 07:49:53 PM 913 Views
That wasn't the point I was making - 21/12/2012 09:49:40 PM 860 Views
You should probably clarify it then - 21/12/2012 10:47:26 PM 1016 Views
His post was perfectly clear. Yours seemed like a response to an entirely different post. - 21/12/2012 10:53:39 PM 1171 Views
Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM* - 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM 527 Views
I think - 21/12/2012 11:13:34 PM 847 Views
Thats' easy, there is simply no such thing as a 'hunting rifle' - 21/12/2012 11:17:41 PM 856 Views
I'd say the expert gunsmith - 21/12/2012 11:28:02 PM 897 Views
I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 10:57:35 PM 863 Views
Re: I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 11:25:04 PM 915 Views
Oh I wasn't commenting on the standard of people here - 21/12/2012 11:29:36 PM 834 Views
you're largely correct, which is why we need stronger laws on ownership not guns per se - 21/12/2012 09:39:14 PM 825 Views
I can't think of a better reason than self defense - 21/12/2012 10:33:26 PM 882 Views
He is right about Australia - 21/12/2012 10:46:27 PM 862 Views
No kidding - 21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM 849 Views
If you knew all that - 21/12/2012 11:02:38 PM 874 Views
I think you are on the right track, but to the wrong destination; "lethal weapon" is redundant. - 21/12/2012 11:05:29 PM 856 Views
My read is that the 2nd Amendment not only allows, but mandates, cop-killer bullets. - 22/12/2012 12:45:04 AM 897 Views
Does the Second Amendment protect the rights of felons and the mentally incompetent to have guns? - 22/12/2012 02:35:16 AM 1061 Views
Some semi-autos are easily modified for full auto fire, making the distinction one w/o a difference. - 21/12/2012 10:53:59 PM 929 Views
Correction: virtually all semi-automatics are easily convertable - 21/12/2012 11:23:35 PM 873 Views
How many of the people I was complaining about would know that? - 22/12/2012 12:48:59 AM 863 Views
Some, possibly? I am ever the optimist - 22/12/2012 12:58:36 AM 828 Views
I have seen nothing on turning a semi-auto BAR into a fully automatic one. - 22/12/2012 01:11:12 AM 791 Views
What's a BAR? In any event, link a diagram and I'll let you know - 22/12/2012 01:26:31 AM 787 Views
Confusingly, there are two: The BAR you and I think of, and the "Browning BAR," a current semi-auto - 22/12/2012 01:07:30 PM 901 Views
Department of Redundancy Department gets to name a lot of stuff, like "Milky Way Galaxy" - 22/12/2012 05:01:45 PM 1062 Views
It only bothers me when people who know better speak of "the Glieseian solar system." - 26/12/2012 05:33:34 PM 945 Views
Both terms are pretty stuck now - 26/12/2012 10:48:38 PM 1011 Views
You realize that encourages rather than discourages my opposition to the usage, right? - 27/12/2012 01:23:15 AM 789 Views
Well I can't say it surprises - 27/12/2012 04:29:06 AM 726 Views
No one expects the Online Inquisition! - 27/12/2012 05:20:44 PM 737 Views
I've enjoyed most reboots - 28/12/2012 01:06:05 AM 681 Views
Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 03:02:18 AM 785 Views
Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM 846 Views
umm... - 22/12/2012 12:41:31 PM 761 Views
1997 North Hollywood Shootout - 22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM 926 Views
Laws against murder failed to prevent that, too; clearly they are ineffective and should be repealed - 22/12/2012 06:02:24 AM 979 Views
Such laws were never intended for prevention, they define actions that will be punished. *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:57:57 PM 558 Views
So do laws against getting a gun without screening, training and certification. - 23/12/2012 02:01:32 PM 797 Views
Then CHANGE the Constitution, don't ignore it. *NM* - 26/12/2012 03:12:11 PM 493 Views
I am not suggesting either changing or ignoring the Constitution. - 26/12/2012 04:01:02 PM 906 Views
Yes you are. - 26/12/2012 08:06:01 PM 706 Views
Learn logic, and stop needlessly trying to teach me grammar. - 26/12/2012 08:55:25 PM 873 Views
Lear to read, and I won't have to - 27/12/2012 04:28:59 PM 932 Views
You are wrong. - 22/12/2012 12:14:40 PM 883 Views
That explains much; I read somewhere Brits are averse to it. - 22/12/2012 01:17:15 PM 806 Views
We're also averse to being wrong. - 22/12/2012 02:53:49 PM 881 Views
So you say... - 22/12/2012 03:32:16 PM 806 Views
guns r stpid *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:39:30 AM 579 Views
What bemuses me about this thing with Adam Lanza, is that his mother had 5 registered guns - 23/12/2012 07:10:26 AM 902 Views
She was asleep with him in the house. - 23/12/2012 02:24:47 PM 875 Views
LOOK, look, there is another one... - 26/12/2012 03:13:45 PM 815 Views
I find the absolutist ant/pro-gun positions equally dangerous and absurd. - 26/12/2012 04:20:37 PM 791 Views
So we should just *kinda* ignore the Constitution *this* time... But what about NEXT time... - 26/12/2012 08:08:12 PM 775 Views
No, we should enact gun regulation the Constitution explicitly empowers. - 26/12/2012 09:02:12 PM 791 Views
Which would be... NONE. *NM* - 27/12/2012 04:31:53 PM 497 Views
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...." - 28/12/2012 05:14:49 PM 784 Views
*see previous grammar lesson* *NM* - 28/12/2012 10:31:43 PM 482 Views
The instant it becomes relevant, I shall. - 28/12/2012 11:45:01 PM 977 Views
Your point being? - 27/12/2012 10:47:29 AM 774 Views
Facts are irrelevant when FUD is the order of the day. - 24/12/2012 04:34:18 PM 781 Views
It irritates me too. *NM* - 01/01/2013 01:55:05 PM 502 Views

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