The Observable Universe is a significant, but rather anthrocentric, distinction. Considering existence literally from a human perspective inevitably puts us at its center, but that is an arbitrary perspective with little logical justification or likelihood of accuracy. What do Dark Matter and Energy do to the Observable Universe?
Well observable and actual are a bit more tied here since once something red shifts outside our light cone it is effectively gone forever in all conceivable respects, it may as well be in another universe except that I find it vaguely more probable we'd find a way to enter alternate universes than reach those places.
As an aside, if we further simplify "cogito ergo sum" to a phenomenological rather than identity statement it is a rigorously established fact; debating it at all proves at least one phenomenon of SOME kind is occuring. Logically progressing from there to a particular identity is arguably as challenging as taking the same route from Deism to a particular creed, but the basic assertion of existence is unassailable. Details and definitions are the tricky (but fascinating) part.
From a logic standpoint I view it as part of the logic train that concludes by stating as an unprovable but necessary assumption that you can draw meaningful conclusions about the world around you from the data your senses offer processed through your mind.
Also I've always felt Data's character was poorly done. Though through no fault of Brent Spiner, good actor, that man.
It got better as both actor and character developed, but we literally just finished watching Nemesis, so I will hear not a word against my fellow Houstonian.
He is a good actor but one doesn't see him in much, and ST: Nemesis was not a stellar movie IMHO
I misspelled "achievement." *self-flaggelates* I think we are essentially on the same page here though, yes. Since I am far more supportive of requiring legal competence for all weapons than of banning any, the semi/full auto distinction is more a matter of casual curiosity and pedantry for me anyway.
It's establishing legal competence that's my sticking point, find me a good way to do it - doesn't have to be airtight, nothing ever is - and I'd likely change my tune.
My rule of thumb is anything that needs machining is not quick and easy for most people; anything else is practical for those knowledgeable enough to succeed.
I suppose so, our problem is while brains can help one triumph so can fanatical dedication to a purpose, and that's not a rare trait among mass murderers. Also, components of a device need not be high-grade metal, a substitution of plastic or wood is conceptually doable and for a few components wouldn't make a lick of difference whereas for others it might wear out relatively fast but not so fats you couldn't empty multiple clips and swap in a spare to do it some more. A wooden mallet might be crappy for pounding in nails but will do the job decent enough if a metal one isn't available.
In one of the umpteen thousand threads on the topic, one person responded with "I guess you could, if you started with a full-auto sear. Which kinda defeats the purpose..." Of course, AR-15s lead right back to our above discussion about the ease of "unconverting" a weapon originally fully automatic in the first place. Again, I have not spent much time looking, but each mention I have seen of converting a gun to full auto, even people just seeking instruction, always referenced automatics factory-modified to civilian semi-autos. I find that highly suggestive of the difficulty in converting a gun semi-auto by design, though perhaps it is just another case where it is easier and more sensible to buy what one wants instead of buying something one does NOT want and MAKING it into the desired item.
Almost always easier to retro-retrofit something I imagine. As mentioned, converting weapons to fully auto is something I know about mostly tangentially. The notion that full auto is inherently better than semi or burst fire is not one I subscribe to. Still the core mechanics are simple enough. I'd have to know 'the defeated purpose' being referred to by that person, but the difficulty of a given project when it comes to mass murder is, IMO, always best weighed against the difficulty of making decent pipe bombs I suppose.
Frankly, the last guy struck me (and, it seemed, most responders) as a dangerous idiot anyway. He prefaced his "question" by stating, "I am not allowed to own a gun anyway," so he is probably a convicted felon seeking advice on how to illegally make his illegally obtained semi-auto full auto. When more knowledgeable people explained why filing the pin would not do that even if it were legal, it quickly became apparent he was not so much "asking a question" as trolling for answers to dispute. Maybe it is a self-correcting problem, since he is most likely to ruin his illegal obtained weapons if left to his own devices, but reading through the thread I kept thinking, This is why we need to require screening, training and certification for gun purchases....
Well he could be 17, guns and gun culture have phallic appeal for a lot of people and teenage boys tend to need that and go that route. Also there's a god awful lot of 'experts' out there who have never even held a M16 or AR 15 and even most who have assume expertise even though they've no idea of the mechanics.
"Gun store commandoes," as I saw one responder put it. Another person told a would-be automatic owner that "If anyone should file down their firing pin, it should be you." Since federal law sets no age limit for private rifle purchases though, I cannot help thinking the questioners criminal history is the reason he is not allowed to have a gun. It is interesting that supporters of both gun rights AND gun control (and I hope I have demonstrated they are not mutually exclusive) oppose felons, the mentally ill and the incompetent having guns—yet only the latter seem willing to DO anything about it.
I know most of the right wing is quite willing to take them away from felons, because I break with them on that, I don't think they have a right to them but much like voting I'm a big believer in reasonable post-incarceration/parole periods before someone can get them back. Never saw much point in assuming the 50 year old who spent 18-25 in the slammer for virtually anything hasn't reasonably reformed if they made it from 25-50 without another 'mandatory vacation'. I think one has to acknowledge that a kleptomaniac, for instance, whether they did their vacation in a prison or a mental hospital, isn't really any worse of a candidate for gun ownership then the next Joe... unless their klepto impulses took on the form of armed robbery of course.
Anyway the core point there is that I personally, and speaking only for myself, have very grave and I think justified concerns about the fairly broad way people approach felon/mentally-ill/incompetent. If someone is good to be out on the streets at all, the status of those three ought to be fairly gray. What bugs me about this whole thing is - and I hate to say it - that these spree killings are simply poor justification for trying to alter our approach to problems that obviously aren't easily solved. We just don't have enough murderous madman for me to feel tinkering with civil rights (not just guns, because it's more then guns at that point) is warranted, considering the risks. I know I'm not alone here in remembering that we made it a pain in the ass to commit people to asylums for some very good reasons.
"Who does the screening?" always strikes me as a copout. Obviously, a government licensing authority, though I have no problem with a federal law empowering states to do that individually according to a uniform federal standard, so long as the feds fund each such state effort adequately (i.e. the last thing we need is a NCLB for guns.) In other words, gun screening would be conducted by the equivalent of the same people who screen explosives purchases, drivers licenses and everything else that constitutes a serious threat to public safety in the hands of incompetent and/or irresponsible owners.
The whole problem there is that you get into the whole 'if the shit hits the fan and we come under a dictatorship'. I personally have no problem with requiring ID to buy a weapon, same as booze, its the idea that the gov't could keep a record of who bought what, it's too close to not keeping a record of who voted but how they voted. Like a little logo on the Driver's license indicating the person could legally buy firearms and a database at the BMV or whoever of who couldn't wouldn't bug me at all, at that point I just don't want them to be in any realistic position to be able to make oppressive or arbitrary changes to who can buy.
This doesn't mean all bets are off at organized control though, but non-gov't options are possible, if a few groups like the ACLU and NRA and so on banded together to create a voluntary ID and promised to destroy records if ever they could fall into bad hands, one could, say, offer a tax discount to places that only sold to people with that ID.
In any event, no progress will ever be made when control-favorers respond to "I don't trust the government" with "Well, you should" as the essential line of reasoning. Make more progress exploring other routes even if they might be viewed as inferior.
I am not talking mandatory interviews; I am libertarian enough to accept "presumption of sanity." However, where a documented RECORD exists, I do not believe it unreasonable, invasive or unconstitutional to check that record. That is to say, it is not a matter of proving one is sane and law-abiding before buying a weapon (I would never place the burden of proof on an individual to show their rights should NOT be denied,) but verifying there is no recorded proof one is NOT sane and law-abiding. All 50 states prohibit convicted felons buying or even owning guns—but why bother if gun buyers are on the honor system? Every employer in America knows asking whether someone is a convicted felon is pointless if no one ever bothers to CHECK. We keep records of that for a reason, y'know.
Problem is most of our spree killers didn't have records that really stood out except in 20/20 hindsight.
Same with mental health: I think it reasonable to expect would-be gun owners release mental health records to a confidential state review board. Mental health treatment should not prevent the sale, but a record of diagnosed mental illness impairing judgement should. The board should also be required to purge its own records of peoples confidential data immediately after review. Psychiatric medicine is far from perfect but, as you say, is what it is; if you are worried about improper loss of civil liberties on that basis, worry more about people being involuntary committed than denied guns. I do not think the proper solution to mentally ill gun owners is "let them have guns, but kill them as soon as they attack someone."
I wouldn't scream if we did that, I just doubt it would be all that effective, since you would need a standardized mental health database and even a lot of pro-control sorts would have entirely different reasons for screaming holy hell about that.
As I said, from my perspective most of the proposed control methods - even the pretty reasonable ones - strike me as invariably being very half assed patches that don't have the potential to do very much and come with a lot of foreseeable 'uh-ohs' and God alone knows how many unforeseen consequences. I think the best solution is just to have more guns in normal citizen hands outside the home, make training easy to get, and just start trying to build up the cultural faux pas around reckless usage.
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When guns are a big national issue, how do reporters & pundits not know facts about them?
21/12/2012 05:33:14 PM
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You don't hunt by walking into a classroom and shooting 20 deer
21/12/2012 05:56:16 PM
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You're actually not right on that one
21/12/2012 07:49:53 PM
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That wasn't the point I was making
21/12/2012 09:49:40 PM
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You should probably clarify it then
21/12/2012 10:47:26 PM
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His post was perfectly clear. Yours seemed like a response to an entirely different post.
21/12/2012 10:53:39 PM
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Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM*
21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM
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I think
21/12/2012 11:13:34 PM
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Thats' easy, there is simply no such thing as a 'hunting rifle'
21/12/2012 11:17:41 PM
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I'd say the expert gunsmith
21/12/2012 11:28:02 PM
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I'm also an expert at math and physics, should I be more forgiving about those too?
22/12/2012 12:38:45 AM
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Re: I'm also an expert at math and physics, should I be more forgiving about those too?
22/12/2012 01:00:18 AM
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Well I appreciate your calling it pedantic when you aren't an expert, thanks for correcting me
22/12/2012 01:15:08 AM
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Re: Well I appreciate your calling it pedantic when you aren't an expert, thanks for correcting me
22/12/2012 09:35:38 AM
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I thought I was being perfectly clear.
21/12/2012 10:57:35 PM
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A bit of an aside, but I was reading that the gun used in the attack can be bought in Canada too.
21/12/2012 06:14:01 PM
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you're largely correct, which is why we need stronger laws on ownership not guns per se
21/12/2012 09:39:14 PM
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I can't think of a better reason than self defense
21/12/2012 10:33:26 PM
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He is right about Australia
21/12/2012 10:46:27 PM
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No kidding
21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM
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If you knew all that
21/12/2012 11:02:38 PM
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Because I used wiki of course
21/12/2012 11:21:25 PM
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He said ""self defense" is not a valid excuse to own a lethal weapon"
21/12/2012 11:34:59 PM
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Yes,which is un-cited, but I did prove it's a valid excuse to use one, so...
22/12/2012 12:36:19 AM
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The difference between allowing someone to defend themselves with a gun they have
22/12/2012 01:09:40 AM
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Which you apparently think they shouldn't be able to obtain? Catch-22 comes to mind.
22/12/2012 01:17:25 AM
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Re: Which you apparently think they shouldn't be able to obtain? Catch-22 comes to mind.
22/12/2012 09:51:51 AM
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A wood chipper isn't a gun, and evidence without proof isn't evidence
22/12/2012 06:10:34 PM
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If only you'd asked him for a citation rather than just saying you thought he was wrong eh? *NM*
23/12/2012 12:29:30 AM
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I think you are on the right track, but to the wrong destination; "lethal weapon" is redundant.
21/12/2012 11:05:29 PM
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My read is that the 2nd Amendment not only allows, but mandates, cop-killer bullets.
22/12/2012 12:45:04 AM
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Does the Second Amendment protect the rights of felons and the mentally incompetent to have guns?
22/12/2012 02:35:16 AM
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Court rulings have determined that your Constitutional Rights can be restricted for felony/insanity *NM*
23/12/2012 12:59:31 PM
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Activist judges should not make law.
23/12/2012 02:04:42 PM
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I agree, but the courts have already ruled that way so we are stuck. *NM*
26/12/2012 03:03:35 PM
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Then I guess we need the courts to rule gun owners need screening, training and licensing.
26/12/2012 03:46:05 PM
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No, if you want to restrict the 2nd (or any other amendment) amend the Constitution
26/12/2012 07:56:19 PM
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I do not want to restrict the Second Amendment, only enact the regulations it explictly allows.
26/12/2012 08:50:09 PM
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I disagree with your interpretation. The simple EXISTANCE of the BoR makes it binding on the states
27/12/2012 03:46:17 PM
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"Congress shall make no law..." restricts the STATES? How, exactly?
28/12/2012 03:03:19 PM
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The 2nd amendment does not mention Congress in any way. There is that reading issue again.
28/12/2012 10:02:41 PM
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You said, "the Bill of Rights," not "the Second Amendment."
28/12/2012 11:10:00 PM
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Copy-N-Paste, get over it. we are specifically discussing the 2nd amendment, not everything.
29/12/2012 02:24:30 PM
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Some semi-autos are easily modified for full auto fire, making the distinction one w/o a difference.
21/12/2012 10:53:59 PM
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Correction: virtually all semi-automatics are easily convertable
21/12/2012 11:23:35 PM
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I have seen nothing on turning a semi-auto BAR into a fully automatic one.
22/12/2012 01:11:12 AM
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What's a BAR? In any event, link a diagram and I'll let you know
22/12/2012 01:26:31 AM
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Confusingly, there are two: The BAR you and I think of, and the "Browning BAR," a current semi-auto
22/12/2012 01:07:30 PM
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Department of Redundancy Department gets to name a lot of stuff, like "Milky Way Galaxy"
22/12/2012 05:01:45 PM
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It only bothers me when people who know better speak of "the Glieseian solar system."
26/12/2012 05:33:34 PM
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Both terms are pretty stuck now
26/12/2012 10:48:38 PM
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You realize that encourages rather than discourages my opposition to the usage, right?
27/12/2012 01:23:15 AM
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Well I can't say it surprises
27/12/2012 04:29:06 AM
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Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands.
22/12/2012 03:02:18 AM
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Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands.
22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM
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Yes people can always still kill each other, humans are very ingenuitive
22/12/2012 04:42:04 AM
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I took a driving exam when I was 16, and have never been tested since, nor will I ever be.
23/12/2012 01:17:05 PM
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Never is a long time; just renewing a license requires retaking the eye exam most places.
23/12/2012 02:16:54 PM
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Rather hard to do an eye exam online or through the mail.
26/12/2012 03:08:06 PM
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Yes, it is, which is why I have always had to go by DPS for a new license.
26/12/2012 03:50:04 PM
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Tennessee and Florida pass them out like candy. For several years TN offered a no ID license
26/12/2012 08:02:39 PM
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I still find it odd they require no eye test, that either allows the blind drivers licenses.
26/12/2012 08:58:57 PM
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Oh yeah, we have wandered off course *shrug*
27/12/2012 03:55:55 PM
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Voter registration while getting a drivers license is distinct from the ease of licensing.
28/12/2012 03:35:34 PM
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Re: Voter registration while getting a drivers license is distinct from the ease of licensing.
28/12/2012 10:14:32 PM
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If you can prove someone voted illegally, call the ACLU and claim your $1000.
28/12/2012 11:18:38 PM
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puhleeze.... election fraud is a fact. Pick a state, ANY state, ANY election...
29/12/2012 02:41:40 PM
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Clip size is meaningless, semi-autos and even revolvers can be reloaded VERY quickly. *NM*
23/12/2012 01:20:59 PM
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1997 North Hollywood Shootout
22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM
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typical NRA bullshit response
22/12/2012 04:53:40 AM
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typical Moondog bullshit response
23/12/2012 01:06:12 PM
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of course! there is no connection between having a gun and shooting someone. got it
23/12/2012 02:33:18 PM
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There is no corelation between decidng to kill someone and what tool you use.
26/12/2012 03:11:08 PM
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By that logic no one needs a gun for self-defense; a coffee mug is perfectly adequate.
26/12/2012 09:06:51 PM
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I can kill you with my coffee mug... RESPECT THE MUG but I wouldn't, I might spill the coffee.
27/12/2012 04:08:52 PM
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So you are saying you do not need a gun then? I will keep mine anyway, thanks.
28/12/2012 04:19:03 PM
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You covered a bunch of different things, and completely misrepresentted what I wrote
28/12/2012 10:28:24 PM
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Home made explosives are pretty much always illegal; I did not want to overlook legal ones.
28/12/2012 11:44:19 PM
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Re: Home made explosives are pretty much always illegal; I did not want to overlook legal ones.
29/12/2012 03:31:01 PM
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Laws against murder failed to prevent that, too; clearly they are ineffective and should be repealed
22/12/2012 06:02:24 AM
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Such laws were never intended for prevention, they define actions that will be punished. *NM*
23/12/2012 12:57:57 PM
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So do laws against getting a gun without screening, training and certification.
23/12/2012 02:01:32 PM
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Then CHANGE the Constitution, don't ignore it. *NM*
26/12/2012 03:12:11 PM
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I am not suggesting either changing or ignoring the Constitution.
26/12/2012 04:01:02 PM
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Yes you are.
26/12/2012 08:06:01 PM
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Learn logic, and stop needlessly trying to teach me grammar.
26/12/2012 08:55:25 PM
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Lear to read, and I won't have to
27/12/2012 04:28:59 PM
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Ironically, you misspelled "learn."
28/12/2012 05:15:17 PM
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I know, I thought about going back and fixing the typo, but thought it was funny so I left it. *NM*
28/12/2012 10:34:06 PM
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2 commas or 4 makes no difference one is a 12D the other is a sentance.
28/12/2012 10:55:31 PM
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It makes a huge difference when (incorrectly) claiming to know the text.
28/12/2012 11:31:51 PM
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and by REGULATED, the authors meeant "able to use it effectively"
29/12/2012 03:47:57 PM
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You are wrong.
22/12/2012 12:14:40 PM
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That explains much; I read somewhere Brits are averse to it.
22/12/2012 01:17:15 PM
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What bemuses me about this thing with Adam Lanza, is that his mother had 5 registered guns
23/12/2012 07:10:26 AM
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She also had many knives, and blunt objecs around the house. Tools are only as good as the user
23/12/2012 01:10:58 PM
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So clearly she wasn't prepared enough... btw, do we know she was sleeping?
27/12/2012 10:52:03 AM
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That she 1) was in bed, 2) had guns for self-defense and 3) was shot 4 times strongly suggests sleep
28/12/2012 11:49:20 PM
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She was asleep with him in the house.
23/12/2012 02:24:47 PM
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LOOK, look, there is another one...
26/12/2012 03:13:45 PM
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I find the absolutist ant/pro-gun positions equally dangerous and absurd.
26/12/2012 04:20:37 PM
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So we should just *kinda* ignore the Constitution *this* time... But what about NEXT time...
26/12/2012 08:08:12 PM
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No, we should enact gun regulation the Constitution explicitly empowers.
26/12/2012 09:02:12 PM
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Which would be... NONE. *NM*
27/12/2012 04:31:53 PM
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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...."
28/12/2012 05:14:49 PM
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Your point being?
27/12/2012 10:47:29 AM
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I am certain it would have been better, though not good, if she had been awake and shot him.
27/12/2012 02:16:13 PM
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So the situation of Nancy and Adam shooting at each other
28/12/2012 07:44:12 AM
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No, I believe they were both mentally incompetent to have guns; that does not mean EVERYONE is.
28/12/2012 02:19:51 PM
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As a father, I would rather kill my own child than have him kill 26 other people.
27/12/2012 04:35:02 PM
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And as a father, you are somehow clairvoyant?
28/12/2012 07:43:08 AM
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Nice flippant unthinking reply, you and moondog should get together. *NM*
28/12/2012 04:55:14 PM
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How is my reply flippant? Your statement was unthinking, not mine.
29/12/2012 06:59:04 AM
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YOU asked if it would have been better for her to kill her own child instead, I answered.
29/12/2012 03:52:02 PM
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I asked if a shoot out between mother and son had been better, not whether she should have killed
29/12/2012 08:54:09 PM
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You make no sense.
31/12/2012 06:07:50 PM
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I make no sense to you because you probably just don't understand my point.
01/01/2013 08:09:11 AM
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Maybe the heat death of the univers occurs before you finally have a cohearant thought
01/01/2013 07:34:31 PM
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You do realize that resorting to personal attacks reveal an inability to make sound arguments? *NM*
02/01/2013 06:01:33 PM
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That is not an ad hominem attack, and your prior post was not very logically coherent
02/01/2013 08:59:16 PM
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Instead of actually showing why my arguments would be incoherent or why I'm immature, he just said
05/01/2013 02:02:23 AM
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