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Both terms are pretty stuck now Isaac Send a noteboard - 26/12/2012 10:48:38 PM
Galaxy meaning Milky Way and all :)

I thought we long ago established the universe does not revolve around Earth OR Sol. It is one thing when the general public makes that common error, but I wince when Lt. Commander Data or Neil deGrasse Tyson does so. :rolleyes:


Well the Observable Universe is centered around us and IIRC there's a theory that holds angular momentum for the Universe, the Observable Universe, at any and all points must not simply be conserved but net zero, were that true one could argue the Universe did revolve around us. I think too much emphasis is placed on the whole center aspect, or lack there of, in most peoples thinking anyway. It locks people into mis-thinking the mediocrity principle is a scientific fact as opposed to a necessary assumption, akin to 'I think therefore I am', not intended as a proven fact but the assumption you have to work off of if you don't just want to spin your wheels in the mental mud.

Also I've always felt Data's character was poorly done. Though through no fault of Brent Spiner, good actor, that man.

I get the conceptual difference, but the means of acheivement are both mechanical and finite. Again, you know better than I, but I understood the firing pin, chamber and associated mechanisms to be inextricably involved also. Maybe we are just saying the same things differently, but one can easily keep the trigger depressed on every gun of which I am aware; the firing pin just will not keep moving, the shell casing will not continue to be ejected and new rounds will not enter the chamber.


I suspect we're mostly saying the same thing here, at least if the context is that while individual models may be harder or easier - some very easy and some bordering on the impossible from a practical standpoint - fundamentally its very hard to prevent something that's conceptually straightforward from a mechanical perspective from being duplicated or altered, especially when extremely high quality standards aren't needed.

Right, that last was my point on the AR-15 and all weapons initially designed as full auto military weapons and LATER produced in a modified civilian form. We could remove the afterburners and put in a different engine to produce a subsonic "civilian" F-16, but anyone with the knowledge could restore its factory specs relatively easily; strap its engine and afterburners onto a Piper Cub and the poor thing will just disintegrate. While any gun can theoretically be converted to full auto with sufficient knowledge and means, the original design has a big impact on how practical that is.


Pretty much, except that for many the specific changeover isn't moving an afterburner to a frame not designed for supersonic forces but more akin to modifying an existing stapler to use a different staple. Depending on the specific stapler and the desired staple type, this could either be dumb-easy or sufficiently difficult that it is far easier to build one from scratch or acquire one from alternative sources, or a toaster that does wider slices. No truly elaborate conceptual changes are necessary nor prohibitively expensive or specialized equipment.

Just guessing, but I think someone got the idea a shorter firing pin could not fully retract, and I saw someone opine that filing the sides would disable the disconnector.


Filing the sides back near the selector switch to make room for an auto sear is pretty routine. Not seeing the pin shortening but maybe they are planning a whole bolt modification, and my brain is running on fumes right now. Big thing here is that you always want to grain of salt people discussing M16/M4/AR15 conversions. It's not just that there's a lot of BS out there but that for its type and era it has absurdly well machined guts and just about everything that makes it good as a gun comes form that. So not only are they touchy compared to an AK but a lot of people would react as though you desecrated the thing if it wasn't a very smooth, professional job, like a if someone used a cheap brown polymer tarp to repair the roof on a classic convertible. Even if functionality mostly remains they'd nitpick it to death, partial for good reasons and partially just field-specific snobbery. The classic quality conversion you drill out a space for the auto sear and replace the trigger assembly.

Frankly, the last guy struck me (and, it seemed, most responders) as a dangerous idiot anyway. He prefaced his "question" by stating, "I am not allowed to own a gun anyway," so he is probably a convicted felon seeking advice on how to illegally make his illegally obtained semi-auto full auto. When more knowledgeable people explained why filing the pin would not do that even if it were legal, it quickly became apparent he was not so much "asking a question" as trolling for answers to dispute. Maybe it is a self-correcting problem, since he is most likely to ruin his illegal obtained weapons if left to his own devices, but reading through the thread I kept thinking, This is why we need to require screening, training and certification for gun purchases.... ;)


Well he could be 17, guns and gun culture have phallic appeal for a lot of people and teenage boys tend to need that and go that route. Also there's a god awful lot of 'experts' out there who have never even held a M16 or AR 15 and even most who have assume expertise even though they've no idea of the mechanics.

Anyway its not that I'm not a big fan of screening, training, and certification it's just that 'who does the screening?' aspect of things, training and certification are actually things I believe could be tackled sanely and reasonably. Even ignoring the government as enemy aspect, I don't think we could give a screening panel the tools to reliably do the job without really pushing the wall on important civil liberties that I do view in a very Patrick Henry way. I also don't really trust the psych field much either, their accuracy and effectiveness is a joke compared to hard sciences and it doesn't matter that its not really their fault, it is what it is. Even if we allowed them mandatory interviews on every citizen with police state levels of intel I doubt they'd achieve a level of accuracy good enough to drop the incidents by an order of magnitude. The screening being the most important aspect of removing the lunatics, psychos, and genuine murderous but sane bastards, and in my opinion being effectively impossible, I prefer to look at solutions for countering them and that to me comes into a more heavily armed and trained society encouraged through reasonable incentive and educaiton.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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You're actually not right on that one - 21/12/2012 07:49:53 PM 931 Views
That wasn't the point I was making - 21/12/2012 09:49:40 PM 875 Views
You should probably clarify it then - 21/12/2012 10:47:26 PM 1030 Views
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Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM* - 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM 535 Views
I think - 21/12/2012 11:13:34 PM 864 Views
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I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 10:57:35 PM 883 Views
Re: I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 11:25:04 PM 935 Views
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He is right about Australia - 21/12/2012 10:46:27 PM 880 Views
No kidding - 21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM 866 Views
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Some semi-autos are easily modified for full auto fire, making the distinction one w/o a difference. - 21/12/2012 10:53:59 PM 951 Views
Correction: virtually all semi-automatics are easily convertable - 21/12/2012 11:23:35 PM 893 Views
How many of the people I was complaining about would know that? - 22/12/2012 12:48:59 AM 881 Views
Some, possibly? I am ever the optimist - 22/12/2012 12:58:36 AM 843 Views
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What's a BAR? In any event, link a diagram and I'll let you know - 22/12/2012 01:26:31 AM 803 Views
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Both terms are pretty stuck now - 26/12/2012 10:48:38 PM 1028 Views
You realize that encourages rather than discourages my opposition to the usage, right? - 27/12/2012 01:23:15 AM 807 Views
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No one expects the Online Inquisition! - 27/12/2012 05:20:44 PM 757 Views
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Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM 864 Views
umm... - 22/12/2012 12:41:31 PM 776 Views
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So do laws against getting a gun without screening, training and certification. - 23/12/2012 02:01:32 PM 818 Views
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I am not suggesting either changing or ignoring the Constitution. - 26/12/2012 04:01:02 PM 927 Views
Yes you are. - 26/12/2012 08:06:01 PM 730 Views
Learn logic, and stop needlessly trying to teach me grammar. - 26/12/2012 08:55:25 PM 893 Views
Lear to read, and I won't have to - 27/12/2012 04:28:59 PM 950 Views
You are wrong. - 22/12/2012 12:14:40 PM 897 Views
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We're also averse to being wrong. - 22/12/2012 02:53:49 PM 899 Views
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guns r stpid *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:39:30 AM 583 Views
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LOOK, look, there is another one... - 26/12/2012 03:13:45 PM 830 Views
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*see previous grammar lesson* *NM* - 28/12/2012 10:31:43 PM 492 Views
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Your point being? - 27/12/2012 10:47:29 AM 790 Views
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It irritates me too. *NM* - 01/01/2013 01:55:05 PM 509 Views

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