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Fair enough Isaac Send a noteboard - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM
Even in Ohio, where (in the last few year), concealed carry has reached 1 in 20 adults, most don't carry them everywhere, many of the spots it happens at don't permit it, and there are actually whole webpages devoted to crimes foiled by armed citizens, the left just sticks its fingers in its ears and pretends they don't exist or handwave them away. We don't have many spree killings, and for your argument to be anything but absurd we'd need to only count the cases where someone present was an armed citizen.

i'm not trying to be an ass, but please point me to a few of these webpages. i've seen plenty of evidence of guns preventing a *crime* but statistics suggest it is only a matter of time before a shooting spree comes to ohio, barring any change in our gun culture. if someone goes on a shooting rampage in your state and someone else with a gun stops it, you make sure to let me know and i will make sure to agree that more guns *can* make us safer in certain circumstances.


We've had shooting sprees in Ohio, and lots of serial killers who in my mind are worse and rarely effected by gun laws.

Big long list
Tough Targets: When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens
8 Horrible crimes stopped by legal guns
Kleck FSU Study interview summary
School Massacres stopped by gun owners

That's a quick google random grab because I'm in a rush for some XMas obligations, but I bypassed some for better sources, and #5 is not from a source I like but the 4 cases listed are legit. Let me know if you need more.
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1272 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response. - 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM 794 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head - 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM 822 Views
OK... - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 795 Views
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The effectiveness issue aside - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 684 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside - 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM 778 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably - 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM 738 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM 698 Views
If it's shown to work - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 781 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon... - 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM 669 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 817 Views
A fuller account of Gardner - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 882 Views
Nice link. - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 667 Views
Re: Nice link. - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 648 Views
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What is public safety worth to you? - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 651 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it. - 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM 585 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings. - 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM 583 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect - 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM 728 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 777 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 718 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 630 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 753 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 641 Views
[citation needed] - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 631 Views
Fair enough - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 1008 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous. - 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM 739 Views
People die from all sort of causes - 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM 714 Views
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Do bombs require certification? - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 934 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 730 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 682 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 704 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 621 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 662 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 633 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 950 Views
Dicks and stones - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 837 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 575 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 576 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 657 Views

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