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Confusingly, there are two: The BAR you and I think of, and the "Browning BAR," a current semi-auto Joel Send a noteboard - 22/12/2012 01:07:30 PM
If you're talking about a Browning M1918, the only BAR that comes to mind, there is a reason I said 'virtually all' and pre-WWII attempts at semi or auto were pretty craptacular at best.

This thread is the only reason I now know of the latter, and I am a little annoyed Browning used the same term for a wholly different weapon than that they made half a century ago. Apparently, there is a redundantly named "Browning BAR," referred to as such because of its auto-LOADING feature. As you can see from the below link to Brownings site, it looks nothing like the old BAR, which stands to reason since it has none of the same parts. It is ONLY semi-auto; again, I have seen nothing to suggest it can be converted to full auto, and instead seen several categorical statements it CANNOT, by any means.

That also stands to reason though, because it was designed as a civilian hunting rifle, never at any time intended for fully automatic fire. I am no gunsmith but, again, it is only logical a fully automatic weapon converted to semi-automatic could easily be converted BACK to fully automatic through removing/replacing/modifying some parts. I would expect it to be more difficult to accomplish that goal with one that was always semi-automatic and never fully automatic.

As I try to explain to people from time to time, a semi-automatic is an improvement on a fully automatic weapon. Semi = better than = Full Auto

Not that I had looked until about an hour ago, but what I have found so far says it is impossible. Not saying you are wrong; you know the specs far better than I,

If you've seen the specs on whatever the hell it is you know them better than I, I've memorized most US/NATO stuff and the real popular ones, but there are thousands and thousands of variations. Some would be impossible, or at least practically impossible, to modify. For most, it's literally something you could do with a file in ten minutes. But the principles are more or less the same between guns, it still varies between guns.

How much US/NATO military issue was designed as fully automatic from the outset and merely retooled as semi-auto in its commercial form (where such forms exist)? I have heard it said that "what can be done can be undone."


but there seems to be a world of difference between military-to-civilian conversions and exclusively, originally, civilian designs. Be careful, now; I am sure the last thing you want to do is lend credence to the anti-gun lobbys claims ALL semi-automatics can be made fully automatic after a couple minutes filing down the firing pin. ;)

Big civilian differences tend to be barrel twist and powder, and of course ammo type. Also the lobbyist don't interest me, anymore than their old ass-hattery about the importance of hunting. They can suck my $%#@, truth is truth. No, not all can be converted that easy of course, and some not all, but its all about the specific design.

People buying into the lobbyists ass-hattery should concern you though, particularly when it prejudices your goals, and (further) popularizing the idea any semi-automatic can be easily converted to full auto with a file in a minute or two is not, I believe, in your best interest (or mine.)

Again, it is not something I have researched much (read: At all,) but every discussion I saw last night of filing down firing pins to make an AR-15 fully automatic consisted of variations on "only idiots believe that, because it will almost certainly 'convert' the gun to an expensive club; ACTUALLY converting an AR-15 to fully automatic fire requires replacing several parts with their M-16 equivalents." The few people who respond seriously to filed firing pin arguments note that:

1) It will probably render the gun inoperable, because the pin is too short and/or narrow to reach the primer with sufficient force for detonation.

2) Whether or not it works, anyone caught trying is head to Club Fed without the need to wait for them to commit further crimes (yea, gun control! :|)

3) If, by sheer luck, it DOES work it will not produce a true automatic, but one that fires continuously until it empties the magazine or overheats and explodes in the wielders face, most likely the latter.

So, yeah, if someone turns their AR-15 back into an M-16 it will be fully automatic, but it takes more than filing a firing pin, which will not do the job, and that does not apply to weapons never designed for fully automatic fire.
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