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Re: Which you apparently think they shouldn't be able to obtain? Catch-22 comes to mind. TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 22/12/2012 09:51:51 AM
I'd like to see someone present a citation that in that country it isn't, which is frankly utterly irrelevant but still, right now it is just an assertion. I have shown, and will be glad to quote, that under their laws it's entirely allowed to use own in self-defense... which would seem more important.

for a legitimate reason and allowing people to buy guns for the purpose of self defence are very different things. If you really disagree with that then I honestly do not know what to say.


Oh, I see the difference, but I haven't seen anyone prove by citation that Australia doesn't allow that, my point it saying its okay to defend yourself with X is acknowledging its legitimacy for acquisition, I really couldn't care whether or not Australia's law are contradictory or paradoxical on the matter.


If you want to look up Australia's gun laws it's there on the internet, if you're going to come in and call someone (incorrectly) wrong then you should bring the contradictory evidence, except you won't find any and I suspect you know that and it's a stalling tactic.

You're being silly, people are allowed to use reasonable force to defend themselves. If you live in a warehouse with a wood chipper it's reasonable to push someone in it for self defence if thats the only way to keep yourself safe. It isn't reasonable to install one in your living room for the sole purpose of catching burglars.

It's a perfectly logical stance, even if you disagree with it, but then that's twice in the same thread you've done that so I suspect I'm wasting my time discussing the issue.
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Which you apparently think they shouldn't be able to obtain? Catch-22 comes to mind. - 22/12/2012 01:17:25 AM 958 Views
Re: Which you apparently think they shouldn't be able to obtain? Catch-22 comes to mind. - 22/12/2012 09:51:51 AM 1030 Views
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