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For each of those 30 years sociologists have warned of the growing danger of growing alienation. Joel Send a noteboard - 16/12/2012 10:05:28 PM
I have been reading the details on each of the 61 mass shootings that were identified on the Mother Jones website that have taken place in last 30 years (they list 62, but I think classifying the Fort Hood shootings, which were an obvious example of Islamic terrorism, along with the others makes no sense).

There is a very clear and simple pattern of people who feel persecuted and unable to cope with societal pressures. They are usually on the verge of being fired from a job, or have been, or they're being bullied at school, or they are being alienated because they're not originally from the United States (this is an undercurrent in all the Asian shootings, like Virginia Tech, University of Iowa and the Binghamton NY shootings). In almost all cases, they develop a paranoid complex of persecution and see murder as the only way to be free of the persecution (which, of course, they see as the reason for their misery).

Media fame may have played into their actions tangentially, but it does not appear to be a primary or even secondary motivating factor for most of the killers. The primary motivation is that they feel trapped and have nowhere to go.

From time to time I wonder how bad it must get before society, as a whole, takes note, and if it ever WILL notice, or the descent into banal slaughter will be so gradual society recognizes its terminal danger no more than a boiling frog does. Not that I disagree with Amy at all; guaranteeing desperate, miserable, resentful and (usually) mentally unstable people the fifteen minutes of fame to which they feel entitled but could otherwise never obtain only encourages atrocities. Alienation is often an explanation, but never an excuse, and it should go without saying anything that obviously catalyzes brutality by those already mentally unstable is best avoided. Accepting the rule that "if it bleeds, it leads" is the short road to a hemophiliac civilization.

EDIT: As to your above question about why a society that has long had the capacity for frequent random shootings has only indulged it in the last generation, I believe I know the answer, but am equally sure you do not want to hear it, so I will let it pass. We both know what I mean, would not reach a consensus discussing it and this is not the time or place for that despite your offer of an ideal opportunity. I will therefore be content to know, for you to know I know, and to know you know I know.

It sucks that this happened. Again. It sucked last time, and will suck the next. Prayers are with past, present and future victims.
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*NM* - 16/12/2012 07:16:19 AM 265 Views
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I don't know what you mean, though. - 17/12/2012 05:53:44 PM 529 Views
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