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I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM
He implied that he thinks unions have flaws, I was wondering what he thinks they are.


Lack of accountability - The Union officials are accountable to no one. Their activities, policies, and procedures are self-created & self-regulated. If something is wrong, there is no higher authority that controls them. It is essentially a club, where the club leaders get to choose who gets to play in the clubhouse.

Duplication of effort - There are child labor laws. There are OSHA laws. There are wage/hour laws. The union's efforts are duplications of laws that ensure safe workplace practices. Since the laws of the land superceed any organization policies, they are not needed.

Forced Participation - If someone wants to work at a "union shop", but doesn't want to be part of the union, they are out of luck (or gonna be in a tough place). I want the freedom to pay or not pay dues. Don't just assume that because I work someplace that I am obligated to give to a cause.

Bad workers get to stay - How many instances can you point to where a bad worker gets to stay in their job because of a possition with the union. Whether its a tenured teacher who is horrible at their job, or a lazy auto-worker who is drunk on the job. Firing them out of hand is impossible. Instead, months of dealing with the union is necessary.

Manipulation of the going rate for Labor - Forcing the workplace to pay labor rates which are unsupported by output. That's horrible. The going rate is the going rate. If that worker gets "undercut" so be it. Find another job. There's only so far one can get undercut before the quality of work suffers. I'd rather play that game then be forced to pay someone what their work isn't worth.

Lack of Competition - I want the best. I don't want people who aren't the best. Union isn't the best. Union is a wildcard (could be the best, could be the worst). In a union environment, I'm stuck with whom I'm stuck with. In a non-union, I get to try a worker out. If I don't like them, I get to get rid of them and try again.

Let's start with those.
~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1355 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 696 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 638 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 680 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 676 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 613 Views
Dude, that's insane. - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 676 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 562 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 616 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 715 Views
The good and the bad of unions: - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 791 Views
Double post. - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 850 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 612 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 404 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 710 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 598 Views
- 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 821 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 718 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 741 Views
one point i need to address here: - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 566 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 773 Views
it's great? - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 650 Views
Pissed off people.... - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 566 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 692 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 554 Views
but that's my point exactly - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 609 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 326 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 589 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 581 Views
So let me get this straight. - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 652 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 598 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 639 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 605 Views
That would be an interesting study... - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 588 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 551 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 635 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 602 Views
How is that wrong? - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 568 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 585 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 580 Views
A brilliant argument... - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 655 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 580 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 515 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 592 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 563 Views
i'll take you one further.... - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 520 Views
I have suggested that before - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 572 Views
so you did. sorry about that! - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 538 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 574 Views
funny thing about that..... - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 515 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 592 Views
What do you want me to say? - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 694 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 315 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 636 Views
This must be a trying time for you. - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 589 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 279 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 733 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 556 Views

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