the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management
moondog Send a noteboard - 13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM
Ok. And we're upset for what reason? Did the quality of the work go down? Sure. Would it have gotten better? With time, yes. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind professional athletes being paid way less (enter my personal bias).
But I'm asked all the time to do more work for no more money. What are my options? Do it or find another place to work. How is this a bad thing?
~Jeordam
But I'm asked all the time to do more work for no more money. What are my options? Do it or find another place to work. How is this a bad thing?
~Jeordam
on the pay of professional athletes, they are literally making what the market is willing to pay them. so i would think you would be happy to hear about a free market success story like this
on a serious note, if you belong to a union, then when you are asked to do much more work than your pay suggests, your union will work to get your salary in line with what your responsibilities suggest you should be paid. in "right to work", you have to suck it up because you know you could be fired tomorrow for no better reason than your boss decides you are expendable.
sure, you could ask your supervisor for more money if they give you much more responsibility than you are being paid for, but what do you think their response will be if you do? if you're in a "right to work" state, many times you will end up on the short list of people who should probably be fired next time budgets are planned, because they know someone more desperate for the same job can be found who will take a pay cut from what you're currently making. "right to work" drives down earnings for all workers, not just the union shops you're so opposed to.
i will give you a personal example, and keep in mind i am also in CA like yourself: my last job promoted me to a senior position and promised me a substantial pay raise after a probationary period. after a year of nothing but silence on the issue, they finally agreed to give me less than half of what they promised, and the majority of that in performance-based incentives and not an actual raise in my salary. without a union rep (we had union locals as clients but no employee representation) my only options are: take their offer and work longer hours to meet the incentives they set, or find another job in a recession that might be better. i ultimately found another job, and by sheer luck it *is* better, but it's not a position i should have to face as an individual worker having to get management to agree to the promises they said they would agree to.
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State!
12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM
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It's great that they were able to do it.
12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM
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I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve.
12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM
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Isn't this a symptom of evolution?
12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM
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we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it.....
12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM
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Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership.
12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM
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That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing"
12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM
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No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic...
12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM
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your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less
12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM
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Ok...employeers demanding people to do more for less.
13/12/2012 10:56:32 PM
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the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management
13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM
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What are the downsides of Unions? *NM*
12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM
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What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions?
13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM
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the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only
14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM
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I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions.
14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM
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Re: I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions.
14/12/2012 10:07:39 PM
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it's great?
12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM
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Pissed off people....
12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM
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again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan?
12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM
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As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great.
12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM
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+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry.
12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM
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unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer
12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM
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Michigan is one of the fastest growing areas for the tech industry. Michigan is starting to expand.
19/12/2012 03:28:18 AM
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So let me get this straight.
13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM
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Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing!
13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM
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no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD
13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM
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Just to play devil's advocate...
13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM
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Re: Just to play devil's advocate...
13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM
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I, for one, stipulate that you are correct.
13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM
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Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct.
13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM
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How is that wrong?
13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM
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it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions
13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM
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Your argument is completely fallacious.
14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM
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A brilliant argument...
14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM
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You are assuming that business owners do not value "on the job" experience
14/12/2012 09:03:35 AM
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the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems
14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM
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Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics
14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM
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i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through
14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM
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Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits.
14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM
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i'll take you one further....
14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM
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And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM*
13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM
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The unions already destroyed the middle class.....
13/12/2012 05:46:56 PM
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Do you really not understand why unions existed in the first place?
14/12/2012 06:55:27 AM
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Why they first existed is not in issue. It is if they STILL serve a useful or detrimental purpose.
14/12/2012 03:00:48 PM
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Yeah, moron! What is wrong with you, that you do not blindly accept his underlying premise?
19/12/2012 01:35:37 AM
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Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000.
14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM
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This must be a trying time for you.
14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM
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Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM*
14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM
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HOW they are doing it..is bullshit
13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM
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How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor.....
13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM
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You have the right to work, not the right to vote in an election as you see fit and keep your job. *NM*
15/12/2012 03:23:13 AM
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