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It's great that they were able to do it. Tom Send a noteboard - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM
Unions had a place in the history of this nation, but the old union model is antiquated and led to major abuses - from workers drinking in bars while "on the clock" all the way to criminal behavior during contract negotiations. Unions consistently fight to save the worst of the worst from being fired and are corrupt to their core in their operations. Their bosses are mafia thugs and their members act like they're in a cult.

That having been said, there should be some method for semi-skilled and skilled workers to make sure that they earn enough to support families. It helps the overall economy, it helps keep the country stable and it makes life bearable for people working tough jobs. My suggestion would be giving stock to workers based on number of years worked (for publicly traded companies), and for smaller companies some sort of profit sharing incentive, and have dividends not taxed anymore at all. It would restore the primary reason for investing in companies - strong fundamentals - and encourage shareholder activism against abuses by management of pay, bonuses, etc. It would also help the workers feel that, if they helped the company thrive, they could keep taking money even in retirement.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1354 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 696 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 637 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 679 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 676 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 612 Views
Dude, that's insane. - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 676 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 562 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 616 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 714 Views
The good and the bad of unions: - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 791 Views
Double post. - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 850 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 611 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 404 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 710 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 598 Views
- 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 821 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 718 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 740 Views
one point i need to address here: - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 566 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 773 Views
it's great? - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 649 Views
Pissed off people.... - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 566 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 691 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 553 Views
but that's my point exactly - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 608 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 325 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 588 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 580 Views
So let me get this straight. - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 651 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 597 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 638 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 604 Views
That would be an interesting study... - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 588 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 551 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 634 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 601 Views
How is that wrong? - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 568 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 585 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 580 Views
A brilliant argument... - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 654 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 580 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 514 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 591 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 562 Views
i'll take you one further.... - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 519 Views
I have suggested that before - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 571 Views
so you did. sorry about that! - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 537 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 573 Views
funny thing about that..... - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 515 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 592 Views
What do you want me to say? - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 694 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 315 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 635 Views
This must be a trying time for you. - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 589 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 279 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 733 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 555 Views

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