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here is a photo of her taken that same year. random thoughts Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM
I really don't think it wouldn't have come up in conversation unless he was pointedly avoiding the knowledge. I mean, one of the most basic 'get to know you make conversation" questions is along the lines of 'how old are you?" or at least revealing of one's age.


Not being part of the Hollywood party-set I've no idea of how likely such a thing would be likely to come up. You could be right. And I have said it's possible that he knew that she was underage. Might be why he was willing to plead guilty to that part.

The point being, we just don't really know. No one does except for Polanksi and Greiner and who knows how good their memory is? Even they could remember it wrong.

even if she point-blank lied, there's is still the testimony that it wasn't consensual which is in itself condemning. Yes it was in a grand jury, but it's still a legitimate testimony. As far as I know, you're not allowed to lie during a grand jury any more than you are in the actual trial.


No one is ever 'allowed' to lie in court. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How many cases have their been where people out and out lied? Or were just honestly wrong? That happens a LOT. How many where an upset person was 'coaxed' into testimony by cops or prosecution which later fell apart?

A good part of a trial is generally figuring out who is telling the truth.

As mentioned in another post - I was in traffic court a few years ago and the 'special constable' (not a real cop in fact the Department of Justice even claimed he 'wasn't a member of a law enforcement organization' sat there and gave testimony that was full of out and out complete and total lies. Sure, perjury is illegal. Sure three OTHER people all called him a liar to his face - but the judge still said 'He's telling the truth and you aren't.' Never mind that it probably would never have withstood an appeal, the guy lied. He's not supposed to, but that didn't stop him.

Indeed, I was later told by a DMV guy that he may well have been instructed by his superiors to lie on the stand in order to avoid a potential lawsuit. Apparently this is not unheard of.

But, just as relevant, one of the people who was testifying FOR me also remembered a number of facts incorrectly. Everyone was under a lot of stress and he recalled certain facts differently, such as the colour of certain vehicle lights and the positioning of some vehicles. And he was doing his best to try and help.

Human memory in court cases is extremely malleable. Even if a person believes what they're saying, it's not necessarily what actually happened.

Have a read below for some examples of how even people who believe that they are telling the truth can be wrong:
how old does she look to you?
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest Camilla - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1261 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic Camilla - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 329 Views
There's some seriously twisted logic in this Brian - 29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM 464 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this Camilla - 29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM 553 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this Brian - 29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM 328 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this Camilla - 29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM 418 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this Brian - 29/09/2009 12:41:56 PM 415 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this Camilla - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM 439 Views
There is a word which describes the famous film director Druid - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 360 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski Mark - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 564 Views
Yeah, there is SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 397 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 441 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 372 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. Mats Gambling Buddy - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 328 Views
Well on the flip side SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 422 Views
Absolutely true enough. Mats Gambling Buddy - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 487 Views
Agreed SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 427 Views
with you on this. *NM* Avendesora - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 280 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 426 Views
Problem is that we don't know SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 425 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 479 Views
Yep SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 448 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 454 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 472 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 284 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 262 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 481 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 384 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 256 Views
I've never seen anything to support that SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 277 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 468 Views
Possibly SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 461 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 417 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 439 Views
*shake head* wahtever LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 391 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 478 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 499 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 349 Views
Really? Who says? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 403 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 316 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 322 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. Ghavrel - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 403 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* Legolas - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 248 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* Rebekah - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 264 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". Avendesora - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 276 Views
No worries Ave SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 255 Views
Ah. Sorry. Ghavrel - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 406 Views
14-16 The_Muted_Grimaud - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 271 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to random thoughts - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 430 Views
*agree* *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 146 Views
Yes, he could have SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 396 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 419 Views
Nope SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 282 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child random thoughts - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 446 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 445 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 434 Views
You really don't get it do you? SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 229 Views
I don't get it?????? random thoughts - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 312 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 400 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. @my - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 437 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 383 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. nossy - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 458 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 447 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. Joker - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 449 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. The Shrike - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 270 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* Legolas - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 234 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* Joker - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 253 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Legolas - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 275 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... Joker - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 437 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* Legolas - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 229 Views
Oh, I'm sorry. It's not ok to point out the hypocritical holes in your argument? My bad. Joker - 05/10/2009 07:15:33 PM 249 Views
I've been following this with some interest SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 284 Views
That was my impression as well. Camilla - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 270 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 267 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. Camilla - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 255 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. Legolas - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 436 Views
*agree* *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 226 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 454 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 395 Views
Depends on the circumstances SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 411 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 431 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 355 Views
*snort* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 375 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 501 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 476 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 429 Views
Not necessarily true at all SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 373 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 438 Views
You may be right, I don't know. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 447 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 353 Views
There was never any doubt of that SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 339 Views
See below, LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 368 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... Legolas - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 466 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 406 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. Legolas - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 476 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 359 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 232 Views
I don't know SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 262 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... Legolas - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 457 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 364 Views
Umm - why? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 417 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... Legolas - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 442 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... Legolas - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 380 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 358 Views
Me too SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 237 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 448 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 256 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 258 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* Camilla - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 252 Views
Yes we do..... trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 413 Views
No, we don't. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 366 Views
if these "Facts" were false LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 395 Views
That's extremely naive SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 286 Views
i fail to see how this is naive LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 438 Views
The naive part SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 446 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 468 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 406 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 424 Views
Not necessarily wrong SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 408 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 232 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 332 Views
I don't remember which article it was from LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 210 Views
One thing that was clear SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 438 Views
Ah I didn't catch that LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 387 Views
Could you source that? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 413 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 376 Views
CNN has it the way I described, but I don't know how good their info is. *NM* SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:05:45 PM 109 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* Legolas - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 119 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 349 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 380 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* Camilla - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 109 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 253 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 265 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 285 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 363 Views
Nope SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 278 Views
He admitted it. Werthead - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 417 Views
You don't get it do you? SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 385 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. Werthead - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 373 Views
Hardly SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 362 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? trzaska2000 - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 387 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you @my - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 468 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 372 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny Amyrlin - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 412 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 400 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. @my - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 230 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 249 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* Rebekah - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 229 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* nossy - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 268 Views
Sorry Nossy.. @my - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 381 Views
It was meant to be advice nossy - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 236 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. Avendesora - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 347 Views
No no.. @my - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 402 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. @my - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 246 Views
Heh! Rebekah - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 255 Views
I second that. *NM* Camilla - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 120 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 244 Views
Re: No, we don't. Brian - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 345 Views
Re: No, we don't. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 486 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. Wibble - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 329 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 296 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 249 Views
no you have back asswards random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 281 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 251 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the random thoughts - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 292 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 417 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age random thoughts - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 270 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. Werthead - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 389 Views
I think he's ignoring such trivial details as "that was the specific age being photographed" *NM* LadyLorraine - 30/09/2009 04:56:10 PM 235 Views
Of course he knew he age random thoughts - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 381 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 238 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 259 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 234 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 462 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? LadyLorraine - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 249 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 419 Views
~nods~ *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 234 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. Gher - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 359 Views
Way to go for a straw man Floffe - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 419 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 478 Views
As to your question, I have no idea Floffe - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 476 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is Isaac - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 245 Views
Yes Floffe - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 280 Views
Re: Yes Isaac - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 410 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself Wibble - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 454 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man Camilla - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 367 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. The Shrike - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 493 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 247 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous random thoughts - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 257 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* trzaska2000 - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 236 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* Isaac - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 232 Views
well nossy - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 393 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 303 Views
Ben Franklin once said SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 447 Views
*snort* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 416 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 355 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 264 Views
I've no idea SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 387 Views
Exactly Nossy SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 482 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 232 Views
That's always been how I am though. SilverWarder - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 413 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. Tom - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 339 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* Camilla - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 156 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it LadyLorraine - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 238 Views
Doubtful. Tom - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 373 Views
How recent is recently? The Shrike - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 294 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. Werthead - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 431 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. Legolas - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 252 Views
I just worked that out. Werthead - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 419 Views
Re: I just worked that out. Legolas - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 384 Views
Re: I just worked that out. Werthead - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 364 Views
Small correction SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 366 Views
Think about that one a bit SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 429 Views
Add to that also SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 455 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* trzaska2000 - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 250 Views
Most impressive Isaac - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 225 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* @my - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 254 Views
In my opinion... Avendesora - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 367 Views
Can I just say... Lupine - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 389 Views
The state is also a vicitm random thoughts - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 383 Views
Hardly, in this case SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 267 Views
He drugged and raped her.....please feel free to pass this along..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 12:23:49 AM 259 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 242 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 447 Views
OK go learn something and then come back random thoughts - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 418 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 352 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* random thoughts - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 251 Views
Well - there's another accusation of pedophilia for being skeptical of a borked law case SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:52:08 PM 235 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 224 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 359 Views
And the most important reason for justice... Mats Gambling Buddy - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 487 Views
Just to be clear SilverWarder - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 454 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 398 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. Lupine - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 449 Views
*agree* *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 125 Views
Well this was the first proof I found that he actually did know her age around the court date SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 04:16:19 PM 416 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 262 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 405 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 404 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* Legolas - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 273 Views
Yeah pretty much SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 283 Views
Not only that, but the DA that said he coached the Judge is now claiming he lied to the documentary Brian - 01/10/2009 07:26:30 PM 395 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread SilverWarder - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 526 Views
It was quite a valiant effort Camilla - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 283 Views
Re: Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread Brian - 01/10/2009 08:41:01 PM 296 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. Werthead - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 439 Views
Please. @my - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 444 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: @my - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 432 Views
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