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In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM
.. You definately don't construct public policy over it. It would be like debating a law against going outside when it is raining due to the risk of lightning, hitting your left pinkie toe.


Sorry but that is a ludicrous argument. If legalising a fairly simple operation would save, say, ten lives a year, would you oppose it?

-Ireland does not allow abortion for any reason

-England does allow abortion for any or no reason

-Ireland has a LOWER maternal death rate than England

If the "life of the mother" argument was anything but rare to the point of irrelevance, Ireland would have a higher maternal death rate, not a lower one.


There are far too many other factors for this statistic to have any meaning. You also need to bear in mind that Ireland isn't a closed off country - in one year 7,000 women travelled, mostly to England, to have abortions. No idea on the numbers for illegal abortions...
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woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion moondog - 14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM 1369 Views
this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM* temeraire - 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM 274 Views
Well, I guess to expedite the process of argument and counter-argument, I'll post an article an Stephen - 14/11/2012 07:28:01 PM 653 Views
you're right, i should have posted the actual article instead of an editorial. thanks! moondog - 14/11/2012 08:14:42 PM 784 Views
so terrible... i will never understand how this crap is considered "pro-life." *NM* wolfsister - 15/11/2012 01:15:56 AM 364 Views
I consider myself pro-life, and I completely agree with you. Aemon - 15/11/2012 05:45:41 AM 698 Views
Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM* HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM 291 Views
Can you elaborate? Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM 561 Views
Do you have access to her medical charts? HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM 574 Views
The infection was from the fetus inside of her. That is not disputed. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:14:52 PM 520 Views
This wasn't pro-life, but more a case of anti-thinking Jeordam - 15/11/2012 06:28:55 PM 587 Views
but the pro-life (or anti-abortion) argument was the reason they gave for not allowing an abortion moondog - 15/11/2012 10:00:14 PM 667 Views
Once you know for certain that the mother is dying, it is too late. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:11:25 PM 565 Views
Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM 588 Views
Where did you get your statistics from? TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 09:19:29 PM 825 Views
Psst. Nate - 15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM 616 Views
I'm pretty sure his 0.3% figure comes from TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 10:01:29 PM 535 Views
That would certainly change the difference between the numbers. Nate - 15/11/2012 10:07:42 PM 591 Views
Re: Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM 580 Views
Where's the due process? Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM 646 Views
First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE". Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM 535 Views
That argument is specious HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM 543 Views
But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM 506 Views
Yes I can, look up the word environment HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM 642 Views
No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. Aeryn - 20/11/2012 01:41:07 PM 527 Views
Re: No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. HyogaRott - 20/11/2012 03:59:19 PM 528 Views
well said Yunalesca - 20/11/2012 05:27:11 PM 625 Views
I agree, but it does not matter. HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:26:17 PM 517 Views
Win some, lose some Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM 681 Views
In other words, if you don't want to die, become a lesbian. *NM* Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:16:23 PM 285 Views
stop calling women whores Yunalesca - 16/11/2012 04:55:49 PM 613 Views
Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge. Rebekah - 16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM 657 Views
That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM 580 Views
Wow. Legolas - 17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM 613 Views
Nah, I don't *try* to insult anyone (most of the time) , though I seem to do so fairly regularly. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:41:43 PM 292 Views
Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER Dan - 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM 702 Views
Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass. HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM 607 Views
The difference between Ireland and the UK is about 0.006% TheCrownless - 17/11/2012 08:31:45 PM 641 Views
It illustrates that the "life of the mother" argument is rare to the point of irrelevance. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:45:36 PM 282 Views
And yet this case makes it irrefutably relevant. *NM* Stephen - 20/11/2012 05:18:23 PM 262 Views
No, it really does not. Because the situation is so rare as to not be worth even discussing... HyogaRott - 21/11/2012 03:24:01 PM 532 Views
In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not. snoopcester - 22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM 585 Views
I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts. HyogaRott - 22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM 520 Views
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