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Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM
Doctors don't go around clubbing terminal stage IV cancer patients in the head like a baby seal either.

THe stage IV cancer patient has just as much chance of survival as that fetus. In fact there is MORE rational for the euthanasia of the cancer patient as at least they can ask to be killed, while the child can not. The death of the mother was NOT a certainty. The death of the child, while extremely likely bordering on certainty, was not a certainty. While the child and mother were alive, the moral obligation of the physicians was to do everything they could to save them BOTH.


Source on the relative chances on the survival of "stage IV cancer" and a 17 week old fetus being miscarried.

Further, there are no analogous situations where one can apply what you said. If a Stage 4, terminal cancer patient's living were putting an otherwise healthy person in immanent mortal danger, AND was not sentient, then your analogy would hold.

So, maybe: two conjoined twins, one of which has inoperable, malignant cancer spread too far but otherwise treatable, that has rendered him comatose, and the other twin has, say, stage 2. And, removing the twins would bisect the organs in such a way as one would have to die for the other to live. In that case, yes, almost every doctor would make the call to euthanize the terminal twin to treat the other twin.

One point of note, Ireland, with its strict no abortion law, has a lower instance of maternal death than England which allows elective abortion.

It is real simple, if you don't like the laws in Ireland, don't live there.


This is what betrays you as an Internet Fuckwit. You had a valid, if specious argument above, but then you go full retard and just spit out useless truisms unrelated to your earlier point. Because you see, Fuckwit, laws can be changed if they're unjust or lead to unjust deaths. Good luck comprehending that.
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woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion - 14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM 1318 Views
this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM* - 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM 252 Views
Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM* - 15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM 268 Views
Can you elaborate? - 16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM 506 Views
Do you have access to her medical charts? - 16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM 518 Views
Statistically speaking... - 15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM 538 Views
Where did you get your statistics from? - 15/11/2012 09:19:29 PM 777 Views
Psst. - 15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM 569 Views
I'm pretty sure his 0.3% figure comes from - 15/11/2012 10:01:29 PM 484 Views
That would certainly change the difference between the numbers. - 15/11/2012 10:07:42 PM 547 Views
Re: Statistically speaking... - 15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM 522 Views
Where's the due process? - 15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM 601 Views
First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE". - 16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM 479 Views
That argument is specious - 16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM 496 Views
But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites. - 16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM 459 Views
Yes I can, look up the word environment - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM 593 Views
No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. - 20/11/2012 01:41:07 PM 471 Views
Re: No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. - 20/11/2012 03:59:19 PM 479 Views
well said - 20/11/2012 05:27:11 PM 579 Views
I agree, but it does not matter. - 16/11/2012 08:26:17 PM 470 Views
Win some, lose some - 15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM 633 Views
In other words, if you don't want to die, become a lesbian. *NM* - 16/11/2012 04:16:23 PM 266 Views
stop calling women whores - 16/11/2012 04:55:49 PM 563 Views
Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge. - 16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM 611 Views
That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER - 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM 540 Views
Wow. - 17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM 563 Views
Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER - 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM 658 Views
Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass. - 18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM 559 Views

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