this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM*
temeraire Send a noteboard - 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM
this is the exact kind of situation that many anti-abortion folks insist is such a rare occurrence that we should not provide exceptions for it. so i ask those on this board who feel that abortion should always be illegal no matter what: is it worth it to you and your ideals that both the baby and the mother have died even though the procedure could have spared her life?
"This is a Catholic country," was what Irish doctors told Savita Halappanavar after she learned she was miscarrying her pregnancy and asked for an abortion to avoid further complications. She spent three days in agonising pain, eventually shaking, vomiting and passing out. She again asked for an abortion and was refused, because the foetus still had a heartbeat.
Then she died.
She died of septicaemia and E Coli. She died after three and a half days of excruciating pain. She died after repeatedly begging for an end to the pregnancy that was poisoning her. Her death would have been avoided if she had been given an abortion when she asked for it – when it was clear she was miscarrying, and that non-intervention would put her at risk. But the foetus, which had no chance of survival, still had a heartbeat. Its right to life quite literally trumped hers.
US politicians and "pro-life" advocates like Joe Walsh will tell you that there are no circumstances under which women need abortions to avoid death or injury. The Republican platform doesn't include an exception for medically necessary abortion. And the Republican party is trying to put laws similar to those in Ireland on the books in the United States – laws that would allow emergency room doctors to refuse to perform abortions, even in cases where the pregnant woman's life or health depends on terminating the pregnancy. The GOP isn't exactly the most science-friendly or fact-reliant crowd in the world, but to them, women like Savita either don't exist or just don't matter. As Jodie at RH Reality Check writes:
"These are the lives of your sister, your mother, your daughter, your aunt, your friends, and your colleagues. These are the lives at stake. These are the very people that the fanatical anti-choice and religious right see as 'not people'.
They are all Savita Halappanavar.
We are all Savita Halappanavar.
But we do not have to die at the hands of misogynists.
In honour of Savita Halappanavar; in honour of the nearly 22 million women worldwide each year who endure unsafe abortion; in honour of the 47,000 women per year worldwide who die from complications of unsafe abortion and the estimated 10 times that number who suffer long-term health consequences; in honour of the millions of women who do not have access to contraception, who have no control over whether and with whom they have sex or whether or with whom they have children, we can fight back. In honour of the young girls married young and the women forced to bear children long past the point they are able to care for more … for all these women, we must continue to act, to liberalise abortion laws, ensure every woman has access, remove the stigma, and trust women, like Savita, who know when it is time to end even the most wanted pregnancy."
Just two months ago, a consortium of Irish doctors got together to declare abortion medically unnecessary. They claimed that abortion is never needed to save a pregnant woman's life, and stated: "We confirm that the prohibition of abortion does not affect, in any way, the availability of optimal care to pregnant women."
I'm pretty sure Savita Halappanavar would disagree. I'm pretty sure she didn't get optimal care.
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woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion
14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM
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this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM*
14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM
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Well, I guess to expedite the process of argument and counter-argument, I'll post an article an
14/11/2012 07:28:01 PM
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you're right, i should have posted the actual article instead of an editorial. thanks!
14/11/2012 08:14:42 PM
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so terrible... i will never understand how this crap is considered "pro-life." *NM*
15/11/2012 01:15:56 AM
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Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM*
15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM
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Can you elaborate?
16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM
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Do you have access to her medical charts?
16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM
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The infection was from the fetus inside of her. That is not disputed.
16/11/2012 10:14:52 PM
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This wasn't pro-life, but more a case of anti-thinking
15/11/2012 06:28:55 PM
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but the pro-life (or anti-abortion) argument was the reason they gave for not allowing an abortion
15/11/2012 10:00:14 PM
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Once you know for certain that the mother is dying, it is too late.
16/11/2012 04:11:25 PM
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Statistically speaking...
15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM
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Psst.
15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM
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Re: Statistically speaking...
15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM
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Where's the due process?
15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM
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First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE".
16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM
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That argument is specious
16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM
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But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites.
16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM
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Yes I can, look up the word environment
17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM
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Win some, lose some
15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM
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Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge.
16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM
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That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER
17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM
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Wow.
17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM
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Nah, I don't *try* to insult anyone (most of the time) , though I seem to do so fairly regularly. *NM*
18/11/2012 07:41:43 PM
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Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER
17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM
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Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass.
18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM
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The difference between Ireland and the UK is about 0.006%
17/11/2012 08:31:45 PM
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It illustrates that the "life of the mother" argument is rare to the point of irrelevance. *NM*
18/11/2012 07:45:36 PM
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And yet this case makes it irrefutably relevant. *NM*
20/11/2012 05:18:23 PM
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No, it really does not. Because the situation is so rare as to not be worth even discussing...
21/11/2012 03:24:01 PM
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In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not.
22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM
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I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts.
22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM
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