Romney is done; the last defeated nominee to be renominated was Nixon.
Joel Send a noteboard - 08/11/2012 04:53:52 PM
Even he needed a decade off and a bullet in two Kennedy brothers, and I doubt any Republicans want to relive the Nixon administration.
As for what the GOP does now, that is a very good question. The problem is this: 30-40% of GOP VOTERS are conservative extremists, especially in the reddest states, where they often form a large majority, but the people FINANCING the party are libertarians who do not care what color you are, whom you screw or what you do about any resulting pregnancies so long as we social spending annually so the budget balances without them paying taxes. Once upon a time, the GOP just sat on its social conservatives and told them "it is us or the Dems: Deal with it." Ask Cannoli some time how he feels about Reagan making pro-life Sandra O'Connor the first woman on the SCOTUS.
They cannot do that anymore because extremist conservatives form a majority of GOP voters in the most heavily GOP states. Therefore, in primary after primary they nominate unelectable "real conservatives," even at the expense of dumping incumbent "Republicans in Name Only" who would be unassailable in a general election. Dems could never have removed highly respected moderate Sen. Dick Lugar in very red IN: So the Tea Party did it for them in the primary, Richard Mourdock informed us that rape-babies are "Gods will," and now the next Senator from IN has a Dem Senator. Oops. Hence Republicans nominated hopeless Senate candidates like Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Linda McMahon (twice in as many elections,) Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle.
That is SIX races (again, McMahon counts twice) Republicans SHOULD have won handily, enough to turn the Senate from 55/45 Dem to 51/49 GOP, lost because party primary voters demanded unelectable radicals. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid should have been beaten like a drum in 2010, but the Tea Party nominated Sharron Angle to run against him, and she spent so much time Mexican-bashing her own campaign manager quit in disgust.
The industry and financial moguls who pay for the GOP are sick of that crap. It has cost them two ideal opportunities to retake the Senate in as many elections, and this one was a gimme: Democrats were defending 23 seats to the Republicans 11, outspent 3:1, yet managed to NET 2 seats thanks to the party base foisting extremists on it. The only decent Senator the GOP had, Maines Olympia Snowe, said outright she was retiring because the radical partisanship is so nauseating.
I do not know where the GOP goes from here; when the shoe was on the other foot in the '70s and '80s Dems responded with the Democratic Leadership Council, an American New Left initiative that produced the Clintons, Gore and Lieberman and left US liberals without a party.
Right now the only silver lining for Republicans is that, even though Dems beat them by half a million votes in House races, they kept the House thanks to last elections Republican wave happening to coincide with a census year. If Republicans had not been redrawing House district boundaries even in blue states like PA, we would almost be back where we were in 2008: Dems run everything but the SCOTUS.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/07/1159631/americans-voted-for-a-democratic-house-gerrymandering-the-supreme-court-gave-them-speaker-boehner/?mobile=nc
As for what the GOP does now, that is a very good question. The problem is this: 30-40% of GOP VOTERS are conservative extremists, especially in the reddest states, where they often form a large majority, but the people FINANCING the party are libertarians who do not care what color you are, whom you screw or what you do about any resulting pregnancies so long as we social spending annually so the budget balances without them paying taxes. Once upon a time, the GOP just sat on its social conservatives and told them "it is us or the Dems: Deal with it." Ask Cannoli some time how he feels about Reagan making pro-life Sandra O'Connor the first woman on the SCOTUS.
They cannot do that anymore because extremist conservatives form a majority of GOP voters in the most heavily GOP states. Therefore, in primary after primary they nominate unelectable "real conservatives," even at the expense of dumping incumbent "Republicans in Name Only" who would be unassailable in a general election. Dems could never have removed highly respected moderate Sen. Dick Lugar in very red IN: So the Tea Party did it for them in the primary, Richard Mourdock informed us that rape-babies are "Gods will," and now the next Senator from IN has a Dem Senator. Oops. Hence Republicans nominated hopeless Senate candidates like Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Linda McMahon (twice in as many elections,) Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle.
That is SIX races (again, McMahon counts twice) Republicans SHOULD have won handily, enough to turn the Senate from 55/45 Dem to 51/49 GOP, lost because party primary voters demanded unelectable radicals. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid should have been beaten like a drum in 2010, but the Tea Party nominated Sharron Angle to run against him, and she spent so much time Mexican-bashing her own campaign manager quit in disgust.
The industry and financial moguls who pay for the GOP are sick of that crap. It has cost them two ideal opportunities to retake the Senate in as many elections, and this one was a gimme: Democrats were defending 23 seats to the Republicans 11, outspent 3:1, yet managed to NET 2 seats thanks to the party base foisting extremists on it. The only decent Senator the GOP had, Maines Olympia Snowe, said outright she was retiring because the radical partisanship is so nauseating.
I do not know where the GOP goes from here; when the shoe was on the other foot in the '70s and '80s Dems responded with the Democratic Leadership Council, an American New Left initiative that produced the Clintons, Gore and Lieberman and left US liberals without a party.
Right now the only silver lining for Republicans is that, even though Dems beat them by half a million votes in House races, they kept the House thanks to last elections Republican wave happening to coincide with a census year. If Republicans had not been redrawing House district boundaries even in blue states like PA, we would almost be back where we were in 2008: Dems run everything but the SCOTUS.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/07/1159631/americans-voted-for-a-democratic-house-gerrymandering-the-supreme-court-gave-them-speaker-boehner/?mobile=nc
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This message last edited by Joel on 08/11/2012 at 04:59:49 PM
What next for Romney and the Republican party?
07/11/2012 03:51:50 PM
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In my view, more moderation is needed.
07/11/2012 04:17:05 PM
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Pretty sure seniors are growing MORE numerous, not less. You're probably right about the rest. *NM*
07/11/2012 05:03:17 PM
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That's true, but I don't think that's the right way to look at it.
07/11/2012 05:18:52 PM
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Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I agree with the overall point.
07/11/2012 07:52:33 PM
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Libertarian is the way to go IMO.
07/11/2012 05:19:29 PM
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totally agree, i was quite disappointed Johnson didn't get better results *NM*
07/11/2012 06:15:09 PM
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I'd say they're pretty much done
07/11/2012 07:54:44 PM
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They're through. They've been utterly crushed, demolished, and annihilated after last night.
07/11/2012 10:34:47 PM
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Well Romney is retiring but no the GOP is hardly 'done'
08/11/2012 12:51:44 AM
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I do hope the Republican party have the same lax attitude, I love seeing them lose *NM*
08/11/2012 12:46:32 PM
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I imagine lots of idiots feel the same way on both sides about both parties *NM*
08/11/2012 11:05:29 PM
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If you're relying on the democrats crashing and burning
09/11/2012 02:45:41 PM
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the dems played the "wait for the repubs to crash and burn" strategy and it worked out ok this year
09/11/2012 05:01:53 PM
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Off topic, but is your Shift key broken?
09/11/2012 05:47:12 PM
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do you have similar problems when talking to people with weird hair color or clothes IRL?
09/11/2012 07:09:24 PM
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The Dems learned their lesson from the Gore campaign
09/11/2012 06:25:23 PM
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i beg to differ
09/11/2012 07:22:40 PM
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The facts speak for themselves
09/11/2012 07:46:20 PM
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Re: The facts speak for themselves
11/11/2012 01:13:05 AM
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i'm quite curious about one thing, since i know you're such a numbers guy
11/11/2012 02:01:31 PM
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Re: i'm quite curious about one thing, since i know you're such a numbers guy
11/11/2012 05:48:09 PM
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I've also got a question for you
11/11/2012 02:16:07 PM
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Re: I've also got a question for you
11/11/2012 04:51:55 PM
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Re: I've also got a question for you
11/11/2012 05:48:52 PM
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There's also the fake or exaggeration aspect that might be in play but I can't judge that
11/11/2012 06:44:16 PM
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I think you were taking that statement rather literally
11/11/2012 07:36:14 PM
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I took it as a literal statement, the language implied as much to me...
11/11/2012 08:45:16 PM
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Oh, I can absolutely count on them crahsing and burning, that's a given, happens to both regularly *NM*
09/11/2012 06:28:51 PM
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You can't count on exploiting that
09/11/2012 06:39:47 PM
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'Mistakes' is subjective, sometimes you have to play your hand
11/11/2012 01:09:31 AM
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how are 300+ EVs "the skin of his teeth"?
08/11/2012 05:46:51 PM
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Because he barely won them? *NM*
08/11/2012 11:06:14 PM
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only OH, NC and FL are within 2% margin, i'd hardly call that "barely won"
08/11/2012 11:25:54 PM
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What makes you think Hillary won't be running?
08/11/2012 06:07:38 PM
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hillary has stated time and again she is done when she steps down as sec'y of state
08/11/2012 11:27:56 PM
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While I agree with the overall point that the Republican party isn't done by any means
08/11/2012 11:53:12 PM
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Romney is done; the last defeated nominee to be renominated was Nixon.
08/11/2012 04:53:52 PM
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