It is sensitive to the extent I do not want federal law killing women. Feelings on that should not depend on whether one is directly affected. How many teenaged girls died bearing your children to make YOU so invested in the issue? It is rather backward to say personal involvement makes someones opinion less rather than more relevant; it may not be objective, but is manifestly relevant.
Saying her husbands nomination was the first time IN HER LIFE she was proud of her country is not writing off all of US history. Since she probably does not remember the moon landing well (she was only 5 at the time,) I sympathize with her position: What has America done to make anyone proud since then? Bankrupt the Soviet Union? It was going bankrupt whatever we did; we just sped up the clock at the cost of bankrupting ourselves into the bargain. From <$1 trillion federal debt to $12 trillion in 30 years of Reaganomics, despite a reprieve under Clinton, Dole and Gingrich.
Here is the thing though: Michelle Obama does not write, pass nor sign federal laws.
According to a small majority of her political party, though, being First Lady is qualifications for president. Considering where the last woman to be in her shoes rode the position she had just attained, she does bear a little scrutiny. Bristol Palin wasn't writing any legislation either.You make a fine argument against abortion as "retroactive birth control" (though pro-lifers opposing PROACTIVE birth control just as strongly undermines it.) Yet that is not the debate.
I don't know, or give a damn, what the debate is. Abortion has nothing more to do with birth control, than domestic violence has to do with household finances. Some might point to one as a cause of the other, but it is irrelevant. Your lack of access to birth control does not justify murdering a child to evade the incumbent responsibilities of parenthood, under any circumstances, whether you are too poor or stupid to obtain it, or the same legislators and executives who outlawed your contraceptives are also looking to prohibit those murders. Preventing abortion is not justification for birth control, not because of the morality of birth control, but because abortion is flat out wrong, and you do not negotiate murder victims as bargaining chips.The question is not "should we allow abortion on demand, or only to save womens lives and possibly for rape victims?" That is a fair reasonable debate,
No, it's not. The justifications for abortion are roughly akin to those for baby-shaking, because of the same outcome. It does not matter how tragic the circumstances of the conception or the mother's life, it simply does not justify the death of the child.
but when seemingly the entire GOP Congressional delegation (VP, and, until a few months ago, presidential nominee) demand a federal law against abortion EVEN for rape victims,
We need that about as much as we need a federal murder statute. IMO, this is only playing to the useful idiots. in some cases even for women who will die without abortion, we are not debating "no fault" abortion: We are debating whether federal law should kill women to satisfy the Republican Partys warped notion of "morality."
Aborting a baby to save the mother's life is no different than human organ harvesting. If the kid bites it as a side effect of a necessary medical procedure, that's one thing. Casual termination to make the doctor's job more easy... something else. And as I said, the medical necessity excuse, by the count of the special interest group speaking for the practitioners, would kill a few hundred a year. As opposed to more than a million. The debate is how many millions of dead are lost behind the smokescreen of those 600 women, some of whom are counted because a psychiatrist diagnosed an unwanted pregnancy as a source of depression or suicidal tendencies?Palins problem was prating about the GOPs "Christian family values" while her unwed teen daughter dropped out of HS because pregnant by a man she never married. Practice what you preach or STFU, Sarah.
Who said she didn't? The failure of her near-adult daughter to follow through on what her mother preached is not on her. Clearly, she was not practicing the abstinence her mother preached, but for all we know, there was a broken rubber or missed pill involved. Not to mention, the only way you could really pin hypocrisy on them would have been if Palin had aborted Tric or whatever the Downs kid's name is, or Bristol had been caught having an abortion. There is certainly no evidence that she was encouraging Bristol to have premarital sex or endorsing her behavior. Family values in no way includes throwing your daughter under the bus or ducking the resulting children or behaving in the way left-wingers seem to expect wealthy or powerful families to behave from what they depict on the TV shows and movies they make. The relevance of Duckworths last campaign to her current one is just what I said: I thought no one could be more ignorantly and hypocritically insensitive than a career civilian opponent accusing a double amputee veteran of cowardice, but Walsh found a way.
Why not? Heroism yesterday does not preclude cowardice tomorrow. Ever hear of a guy called Benedict Arnold? And using the phrase "cut and run" is in no way an accusation of cowardice. The literal meaning of the phrase suggests a rational or calculated desire to minimize costs or losses. Given that Duckworth has suffered losses, it might actually be very pertinent. Her own suffering could be blinding her to the objective issues a Congressman is supposed to be considering. By the way, it strikes me that Duckworth might stand some scrutiny. I mean, she volunteered for the military. Then, when she gets hurt, all of a sudden, it's time to bail? These johnny-come-latelies to the anti-war position are, in their way, more annoying than the "chicken hawks" who at least have consistency in their positions.
She supports increased federal education support instead of Bushs "we are raising your standards you were not meeting and cutting your funding to meet them."
I should have known there was something wrong with her. Sure, let's get the federal government involved in a highly personal process, where the outcome is largely determined by familial factors before the kid ever steps foot in a school. Education is undertaken by teacher, child and parent, and of those three, the one the government has the most access to, has the least effect on the outcome. But no, let's throw money at the problem, rather than let the parents, the parties most familiar with the kids in question, and with the greatest investment in their welfare, make the decisions unburdened by school taxes or the money-chasing games of the state funding racket. But that's liberals for you - the only decisions they trust parents to make is whether or not to abort the kid.She supports VA medical care and treatment, rather than sending soldiers off to injury or death then leaving them and their families to twist in the wind.
She is more compromised on this issue than any connections Bush and Cheney had to Big Oil. She supports federal healthcare availability to kids, the elderly and the poor and, obviously, is pro-choice.
I suppose throwing other people's money at them lets her sleep at night with her endorsement of killing them. Their lives are NO price for YOU to pay: THEY pay it instead, and assuredly feel differentlly.
I'll give a damn about their feelings when someone polls the kids they want to kill.However, effective exceptions do not "endanger the whole cause." Ya'll get a lot of traction opposing "no fault" abortion on demand, and justifiably. The Republican Party freaking VOLUNTEERED to deny abortions for rape victims, even to save womens lives. No one put a gun to these Congressmens heads and coerced those positions, so it is safe to say they are sincere.
Here's hoping.Your closing argument is "allowing women civil rights that save their lives justifies pro-lifers murdering doctors"? Could you put that on a billboard? Please?
Infanticide is not a civil right. Killing killers is undeniably effective prevention.
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Congressman Joe Walsh (R-IL) Says Abortion Never Necessary to Save a Womans Life
27/10/2012 04:00:36 PM
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my friend's sister had an abortion that saved her life. ectopic pregnancy. people need to read. *NM*
27/10/2012 07:26:20 PM
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Yeah, he ultimately decided abortion was OK for ectopic pregnancy.
27/10/2012 09:18:00 PM
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Why is a 12 year old getting pregnant? Traffic doesn't care if jaywalkers are 12 or 30.
28/10/2012 03:04:50 AM
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Because she was raped; sex w/ 12 year olds, "consensual" or not, is pretty much illegal everywhere.
28/10/2012 01:56:37 PM
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sure. no instances except:
27/10/2012 11:45:54 PM
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Like when Romney insisted a mother of four not have an abortion to save her life?
28/10/2012 12:35:26 AM
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the views of some members of the republican party just confuse the hell out of me
28/10/2012 02:19:11 AM
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I hear ya, but factually lacking policies are only plausible on a factually flawed basis.
28/10/2012 02:16:40 PM
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first, I should clarify that these are the opinions of some, not all "Republicans,"
28/10/2012 04:02:13 PM
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It is demonstrably the opinion of Republican federal lawmakers, which is what counts.
28/10/2012 05:27:20 PM
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How about, if you have those conditions, don't get pregnant!
28/10/2012 03:17:23 AM
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it's not always possible to know ahead of time
28/10/2012 06:16:36 AM
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None of those myths would justify abortion, even if they were real.
01/11/2012 04:11:34 AM
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Contraceptives aren't perfect, you know
28/10/2012 02:18:37 PM
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Keep her legs together then. Really, the problems of a would-be child-killer are of nil concern *NM*
01/11/2012 04:07:06 AM
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How many abortions have you caused women to have, that you are so blind to the crap here?
28/10/2012 02:50:06 AM
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Since I am neither a woman nor doctor, none.
28/10/2012 01:56:51 PM
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Re: Since I am neither a woman nor doctor, none.
01/11/2012 04:06:03 AM
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how many kids have you adopted, in order to preserve the life you claim to save?
29/10/2012 05:26:38 PM
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I guess... I'm confused about something. WHY do they all keep talking about this?
28/10/2012 04:36:45 PM
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It is like the monkeys and typewriters thing but with politicians and microphones
28/10/2012 04:47:26 PM
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The only plausible explanation is "because they believe it."
28/10/2012 05:42:18 PM
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Eh, I don't know. I feel like someone is telling them there is political capital to be made.
28/10/2012 06:35:34 PM
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Appealing to the base in the general election is usually a zero sum game.
28/10/2012 07:08:32 PM
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