Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM*
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OCTOBER 24, 2012 | ISSUE 48•43
THE HEAVENS—Responding to inflammatory remarks made by Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock during a debate Tuesday night, Our Lord God the Almighty Father sought today to distance Himself from both Mourdock and the entire right-wing fundamentalist Christian movement, sources confirmed.
“I want to make one thing absolutely clear: Mr. Mourdock’s comments from last night in no way reflect my position on this or any other issue,” said the Divine Creator, speaking at a press conference this afternoon to address Mourdock’s remarks that rape-induced pregnancies were God’s intent. “And furthermore, I would like to take this opportunity to say definitively that I, God, do not officially sanction or condone the words or actions of anyone involved in the fanatical, conservative Christian faction that Mr. Mourdock represents.”
“Many people hear my name in connection with the Christian Right and start to assume we are aligned in some capacity, and I’m here to say, for the record, that we are not,” God continued. “So let me just be clear: I don’t want women to get raped—not ever. I don’t think their resulting pregnancies are my divine will. And if a woman is raped, then she has the right to get an abortion, period. I do not agree with Mourdock. I do not agree with the Christian Right. End of story.”
Calling Mourdock’s comments “the last straw,” the Lord Our Maker explained that while in the past there have been a few areas where He and the religious Right have been in agreement, more often than not, in recent years, He and Christian conservatives have grown “actually quite far apart” on a wide range of issues.
This handy site: http://www.dayswithoutagoprapemention.com/ now tracks which Republicans want a federal abortion ban even for rape victims. For those scoring at home, that is the Republican Vice Presidential nominee, 3 US Senate nominees and 3 US House members (including VP nominee Paul Ryan.) A fourth GOP Senate nominee, Linda McMahon (CT,) says hospitals should be required to provide "morning after" pills ONLY in cases of "emergency rape" (and taxpayer funded Catholic hospitals should not be required to provide them at all.) That is just among Republicans who publicly commented in the last six months.
During the GOP primary debates, Mitt Romney said he "would be delighted to sign" a federal abortion ban but lamented that Congress will not pass one: FOUR new US GOP Senators plus a GOP House majority committed to passing a federal abortion ban would pass it for him to sign. It would go to the Supreme Court, but the next president will appoint 2-3 new SCOTUS judges, so the ban would certainly be upheld. It would be far easier to believe the GOP is not committed to banning abortion even for rape victims if so many of their Congressional, Vice Presidential and Presidential candidates did not endorse that ban.
For those expecting Moderate Mitt to prevent his party (and Conservative Mitt) banning US abortions, consider that LDS Bishop Romney tried to browbeat a mother of four out of an abortion NEEDED TO SAVE HER LIFE! http://jezebel.com/5851050/the-curious-case-of-mitt-romney-an-abortion-and-eliza-dushkus-mom
This is not the '90s GOP that banned late-term abortion; it has moved on—as a group—from that victory to banning ALL abortions.
On this as so many other issues, it is implausible to believe Republicans are simply pandering when they disagree with you but NOT when they agree. Doing BOTH on every issue (Romneys hallmark) reduces you to hoping the lie was disagreeing rather than agreeing: One of them MUST be a lie. "Trusting he is lying" is a dangerous way to pick a leader, and the smart money says when they abandon their decades old position mere months before the election, THAT is insincere pandering.
Formerly Mat Bloody Cauthon on Wotmania, blessed be its name
God Distances Self From Christian Right
26/10/2012 01:56:18 PM
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Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM*
26/10/2012 03:28:25 PM
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Depends on when a fetus is a being, which the GOP contends is "at the moment of fertilization."
26/10/2012 03:57:44 PM
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Actually, I don't see any place in the Bible where God is....
26/10/2012 04:00:19 PM
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Where did I say one word about God accommodating our sin?
26/10/2012 05:55:52 PM
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You're technically right, Joel, but...
26/10/2012 07:32:10 PM
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Almost may count in hand grenades, but definitely not in canon.
26/10/2012 10:28:57 PM
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Your lack of scientific understanding is everything in this instance.
26/10/2012 10:44:05 PM
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Because whether God intends rape is aaaall about science, right?
26/10/2012 11:08:16 PM
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You're getting rather emphatic.
26/10/2012 11:27:07 PM
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Broad fundamental change to US law by controlling all three branches of government provokes that.
27/10/2012 12:44:59 AM
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Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this.
26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM
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women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect
26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM
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So we legalize an illegal act because some are willing to harm themselves to do it? *NM*
26/10/2012 10:02:37 PM
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no, we legalize the act so that it can be performed safely without killing both mother *and* child *NM*
26/10/2012 11:08:52 PM
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Very good point, but that was not (at least soley) what I meant, no.
26/10/2012 11:12:32 PM
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If something should be illegal in its own right, it is nonsense to legalize it because criminals
26/10/2012 11:40:41 PM
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If banning it saves no lives but inevitably takes more, the ban is counterproductive.
27/10/2012 12:48:51 AM
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That is absolutely absurd. It saves the lives of all...
27/10/2012 12:59:16 AM
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you're still missing the point that abortions will still be performed if it were illegal
27/10/2012 01:02:57 AM
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I'm not missing the point, you are.
27/10/2012 01:21:39 AM
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This isn't necessarily true, though it is often due to other factors.
27/10/2012 02:48:00 PM
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People who want abortions badly enough to have one will, whether or not law makes it "convenient."
27/10/2012 02:58:52 AM
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Telling a woman whose life was in danger not to save it with abortion condemned her to die
26/10/2012 10:48:53 PM
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There is no proof that you would accept that a fetus is a child.
26/10/2012 11:31:50 PM
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Fantastic question.
26/10/2012 11:43:51 PM
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No, I would err on the side of caution; have often said as much in just those words.
27/10/2012 01:18:19 AM
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Sure there is; show me a fetus acting indepedently and consciously.
27/10/2012 01:15:00 AM
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Perfect example of media sensationalism
26/10/2012 04:13:41 PM
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I agree with your larger point and am not trying to be argumentative
26/10/2012 04:29:23 PM
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yeah, but what do women know about women's issues? this is man talk time!
26/10/2012 05:01:58 PM
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THAT is the whole problem with his comment.
26/10/2012 05:59:40 PM
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Or it could mean....
26/10/2012 11:50:53 PM
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Having addressed this in response to Legolas in moondogs thread on Mourdock, I will just link that.
27/10/2012 01:43:48 AM
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I agree
26/10/2012 07:27:21 PM
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It's always a slippery slope, talking about what God did and did not intend.
27/10/2012 12:06:22 AM
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There is a logically consistent way; you did not ask for it, so I will be brief.
27/10/2012 02:53:09 AM
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Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause.
26/10/2012 05:51:28 PM
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God intends everything.
27/10/2012 04:40:58 PM
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"Intends" is a big word.
27/10/2012 09:23:13 PM
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It is sad that this is getting more press than the Bengazi scandal *NM*
26/10/2012 05:58:22 PM
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that's probably because it's more relevant to most people's lives *NM*
26/10/2012 06:06:10 PM
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This entire scandal really speaks to the Calvinist heresy in particular.
26/10/2012 07:10:38 PM
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I was trying REALLY hard to avoid putting it in precisely those terms.
26/10/2012 10:12:17 PM
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Well, but really, the fundamental crux of the issue is precisely that.
27/10/2012 01:03:26 AM
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True, but disputing founding articles of faith benefits from tact.
27/10/2012 02:02:48 AM
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Come on, Tom.
27/10/2012 03:29:39 AM
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I believe HE grasps the difference between predestination and determinism well.
27/10/2012 09:33:14 PM
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The comment that sparked this was moronic even to the vast majority of religious conservatives. *NM*
26/10/2012 09:42:51 PM
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Yet its author remains the only Senate nominee for whom Romney is running ads.
26/10/2012 10:53:37 PM
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Is the senator's comment more disgusting to you than the President's vote against the
26/10/2012 11:54:55 PM
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how does one vote against a bill which passed by unanimous consent?
27/10/2012 12:11:37 AM
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As a state senator in 2001 in illinois he was the sole opponent to the aforementioned bill. *NM*
27/10/2012 12:14:08 AM
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[citation needed]
27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM
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It was an illinois state bill. *NM*
27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM
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yes, i finally found *something* regarding a state bill which he did oppose
27/10/2012 12:34:40 AM
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The BAIPA became federal law 2 years before Obamas Senate win; he says he would have voted for it.
27/10/2012 02:33:26 AM
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Once he started taking fire for it he said he would have voted for it? Well that clears that up.
27/10/2012 07:09:21 AM
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He "took fire" for a federal law passed before he was in Congress?
27/10/2012 04:08:25 PM
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amazing
28/10/2012 05:04:21 AM
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Women are certainly encouraged to weigh in, but everyone is entitled to thoughts on the matter
28/10/2012 02:22:55 PM
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