Choice forms a critical distinction there; small wonder Cornyn and Mourdock missed it.
Joel Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 12:48:18 AM
I merely wanted to make the point - as Cornyn did - that IF you believe that God "intends" for a very much wanted baby to be born in a loving family, then you cannot but accept that God must also "intend" for the unwanted babies conceived through rape to be born. If you don't, well, then it's a different story; but you seem to agree with me in your reply that Mourdock's comment is not problematic, except to the extent that it conveys his belief in a God who has a real influence on some things that happen in life. There's no reason for people sharing that belief to take umbrage at what he said.
You may recall one of my Pithy Pet Phrases is that "Christianity is the ultimate pro-choice position." It well complements the one in my sig, but also makes this issue (most issues, really) hard to separate from theodicy. Choice makes all the difference in the world between a desired and undesired child. To say God enabled the first and allowed the second is not to say both are Gods will.
Where pregnancy is not practically impossible (as in my mothers case,) I contend Gods role limited to having made sexual reproduction possible. That does not make all the forms in which we accomplish it Gods will any more than giving us brains makes the atom bomb Gods will. Where pregnancy is almost or wholly miraculous for those who want children, once again God enabling a choice is not the same as God allowing what no one chose. If Mr. Mourdock knows of a woman who:
1) Medical science declared incapable of conception, 2) did not want a child in the first place and 3) nonetheless got pregnant from rape,
THEN he might have a case on the grounds you cite, but only then.
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This message last edited by Joel on 26/10/2012 at 12:50:20 AM
every time a republican candidate mentions rape, i think of the following video
25/10/2012 05:58:16 PM
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that's hilarious and evokes a "what the shit?" much like all those gop jackasses.
25/10/2012 08:03:24 PM
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The sole difference between Western and Mideast fundamentalists is the god blamed for intolerance
26/10/2012 01:29:54 AM
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I am SO GOING to get flamed for asking this
25/10/2012 08:45:21 PM
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No, because God did not have sex with Mary.
25/10/2012 09:23:12 PM
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Closer than Roland, but still off.
25/10/2012 09:51:12 PM
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However parsed, since Marys supposed sinlessness is through Christs conception, it is retroactive
25/10/2012 10:10:48 PM
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The point I am horrible job making is this
25/10/2012 10:12:53 PM
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The biblical narrative states an act of CONCEPTION without an act of SEX.
25/10/2012 10:37:48 PM
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New GOP Congressmen daily refute the GOPs pretended support of rape exceptions to abortion bans.
25/10/2012 10:07:21 PM
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This is not a source I generally resort to, but let me quote John Cornyn:
25/10/2012 11:11:04 PM
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I think he is an idiot for saying it
25/10/2012 11:53:01 PM
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Calling y Gods will calls x Gods will, because y depends on x.
26/10/2012 12:14:27 AM
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I'm really not going to debate theodicy with you, especially since I'm not even a believer.
26/10/2012 12:24:57 AM
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Choice forms a critical distinction there; small wonder Cornyn and Mourdock missed it.
26/10/2012 12:48:18 AM
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