which makes how good or bad he was completely redundant given the point I was trying to make. Ken Livingston does not fall into the category of politicians who appear goofy and loveable on the outside and attract a portion of voters who like him despite having rather horrific views if you get past the cartoon character exterior.

I'm sure you feel you could make a similar point about Obama's being "cool". Ken Livingston is more like George Bush, better or worse than Obama (I don't care about your opinion on this, feel no need to share it) makes no difference, he's almost universally hated.