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#1: fuck you. #2: you are still not using logic moondog Send a noteboard - 23/10/2012 05:50:14 PM

To recap: Their position,was that there was no reason to not allow it, therefore it should be allowed. There is also no reason not to allow me to marry a spoon. or a corporationor my own adult offspring or 3,567,983,987 other adult people.


the position is -- and this is where you are 100% wrong about the entire issue -- if the US government is going to pass a law specifically defining a right for one group but not others, it must do so with an extremely valid reason, otherwise it is nothing more than discrimination. if you want to reduce it to what you stated here that is your right (or privilege as the case may be). it still does not change the fact that DOMA was legislated discrimination, which *IS* against the Constitution, and specifically the 14th amendment which says that the government cannot create laws which deny "equal protection under the law". it is a constitutional issue because the government created DOMA specifically to deny a certain subset of the population the same benefits as the majority. for you to argue otherwise means you cannot grasp the importance of what it means if the government is allowed to pass laws that provide for legal discrimination based on a defined criteria.

I've said it before, it is not a civil rights issue, it is not an equal protections issue. It is not a Constitutional issue AT ALL. It is an issue where a minortiy portion of our population wants the majority to grant them a new legal status that is comparable to one that the majority enjoys, but that the minority CHOOSES not to participate in; even though they have the exact same access to it.


and even though you said all this stuff, you are still 100% wrong, both legally *and* morally. you have offered nothing more than fallacies and emotional responses to what is a strict legal matter. i would urge you to take a step back, rethink what you have said, and come back when you can argue the *legal* merits of the case.
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2nd Circuit rules in favor of Edith Windsor. DOMA unconstitutional. - 18/10/2012 08:37:12 PM 902 Views
An excellent ruling. Thanks for the post. *NM* - 18/10/2012 08:47:54 PM 256 Views
Oh, and they addressed the First Circuit's argument: - 18/10/2012 08:54:47 PM 710 Views
I always knew that DomA guy was bad news. - 18/10/2012 09:05:13 PM 466 Views
As it should be; the DoMA was always a brazen affront to the Equal Protection Clause - 19/10/2012 12:06:13 AM 713 Views
Not really - 19/10/2012 02:16:04 PM 636 Views
Not quite - 19/10/2012 02:56:56 PM 504 Views
Yes, really, for "any CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT." - 19/10/2012 03:12:11 PM 608 Views
joel, please stop - 19/10/2012 05:42:51 PM 571 Views
That's such a stupid, puerile argument. - 19/10/2012 03:47:26 PM 587 Views
Not the best analogy, though I agree with the sentiment. - 19/10/2012 04:10:11 PM 516 Views
Then by the "legal argument" you all propose I should have the "right" to marry a spoon... - 19/10/2012 05:48:32 PM 547 Views
if your spoon or dog is capable of making power of attorney decisions then by all means do so *NM* - 19/10/2012 06:41:43 PM 256 Views
How about I "marry" a corporation then. THAT is how stupid the entire arguement is. *NM* - 19/10/2012 07:25:13 PM 247 Views
Another good example of how corporations aren't the same as people. *NM* - 19/10/2012 10:07:32 PM 252 Views
Would you be the bride? Would you wear white? - 20/10/2012 07:58:52 PM 504 Views
You have obviously not read my posts very carefully - 22/10/2012 04:23:22 PM 480 Views
Ah, the "I have Gay Friends" argument. - 22/10/2012 09:33:41 PM 501 Views
It was only a matter of time. - 19/10/2012 02:49:21 PM 556 Views
I do not understand why fundamentalists demand government dictate religion. - 19/10/2012 03:22:54 PM 714 Views
Which is why the entire method of legal attack being mounted is dumb. - 19/10/2012 05:53:12 PM 625 Views
the only ones forcing their beliefs down everyone's throats are people like yourself - 19/10/2012 06:44:57 PM 595 Views
There is no right being denied... - 19/10/2012 07:22:24 PM 558 Views
No? - 19/10/2012 11:34:36 PM 536 Views
Really - 22/10/2012 04:29:38 PM 537 Views
You are making one, huge factual mistake that is screwing up your entire argument: - 20/10/2012 11:00:28 PM 581 Views
Nope I am not - 22/10/2012 04:34:59 PM 521 Views
That is just it: Most US marriage laws are already areligious. - 23/10/2012 05:08:38 PM 536 Views
Yes, the laws are 100% secular... - 23/10/2012 07:01:08 PM 504 Views

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