We are claiming that a marriage between two men or two women is not essentially different from a marriage between a man and a woman, and so we are asking for that same thing: marriage. E.g., "I paid you for a Porsche, so park that Yugo and go get me a fucking Porsche."
Yes, the law currently defines it a certain way. That is the whole reason why we are challenging that law; it is unreasonably discriminatory. It cannot serve as an authority on the argument when it is the very thing being challenged. Nor can the Bible serve as the authority, because to use it as such would be to establish religion in violation of the First Amendment. (Arguments from the Bible could be used, but it doesn't really present any convincing arguments.)
But so far gay marriage opponents have put out few arguments beyond the arbitrary and invalid, e.g., "Marriage is defined by us as between one man and one woman, therefore marriage is defined by all as between one man and one woman." And the additional arguments haven't been anymore convincing, hence why they keep coming back to the circular argument.
Yes, the law currently defines it a certain way. That is the whole reason why we are challenging that law; it is unreasonably discriminatory. It cannot serve as an authority on the argument when it is the very thing being challenged. Nor can the Bible serve as the authority, because to use it as such would be to establish religion in violation of the First Amendment. (Arguments from the Bible could be used, but it doesn't really present any convincing arguments.)
But so far gay marriage opponents have put out few arguments beyond the arbitrary and invalid, e.g., "Marriage is defined by us as between one man and one woman, therefore marriage is defined by all as between one man and one woman." And the additional arguments haven't been anymore convincing, hence why they keep coming back to the circular argument.
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Only so evil.
Only so evil.
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy?
20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM
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Legal rights.
20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM
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should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM*
20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM
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Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM*
20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM
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That's a huge chunk of what government does.
20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM
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That's not what I'm saying
21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM
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So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard!
21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM
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Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence..
20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM
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Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid.
20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM
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The more fool you.
21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM
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This, and legal recognition of it, is precisely why marriage has become an Equal Protection issue.
22/10/2012 03:40:01 PM
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Because they are both violations of the paradigm of genuine marriage. Like it or not.
21/10/2012 05:49:32 AM
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I have no problem with polygamy being legal, but marriage is a privilege and can be limited to two.
20/10/2012 04:16:08 AM
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The only problem with that is that it was established with a heterosexist assumption
21/10/2012 06:33:32 AM
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From a legal perspective, all of your arguments are irrelevant
21/10/2012 03:12:39 PM
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This really is blatantly obvious, but still it might bear repeating...
21/10/2012 04:43:13 PM
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Yes, but only if its equal. Multi-people relationships should be more acceptable by society.
20/10/2012 05:15:24 AM
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"Polygamy" is the all-inclusive term; whether or not he meant it, he said it.
22/10/2012 04:31:09 PM
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I support autogamy in addition to various forms of exogenic relationships
20/10/2012 05:49:07 AM
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Have you seen the Glee episode where Sue Sylvester conducts a marriage of herself to herself? *NM*
20/10/2012 09:50:32 AM
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I am fine with it if all existing parties to the marriage consent to each addition.
20/10/2012 10:10:19 AM
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The case for polygamy has really weakened rather than strenghtened, you might say.
20/10/2012 03:53:34 PM
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I have no problem with it, but as Amy says, it's not really relevant. *NM*
20/10/2012 05:40:50 PM
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Legalize polygamy and create a familymaking process, but don't cover polygamy under marriage.
20/10/2012 10:14:58 PM
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The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway
21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM
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Indeed
21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM
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I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business.
21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM
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And so?
21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM
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Re: And so?
21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM
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So can we call it garriage, give the same legal effect and call it good? *NM*
22/10/2012 03:28:33 AM
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According to your argument we could afford gay couples the same legal privileges...
22/10/2012 03:20:17 AM
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"...separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."
22/10/2012 04:45:31 PM
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That may well be the ideal solution. And also the most ironically amusing in how it would fail.
22/10/2012 07:35:05 PM
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We already went there and did that in '04, and yes, it was funny as f--k.
22/10/2012 09:51:49 PM
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Agreed in principle, but custody/cohabitation/assets go well beyond name change.
22/10/2012 04:37:09 PM
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This is the sort of thing that *needs* to be about principle
23/10/2012 04:54:10 AM
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Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement.
23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM
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Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none.
22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM
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You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed.
23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM
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Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government.
23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM
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Much less force, yes.
23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM
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The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM
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Re: The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
23/10/2012 07:15:17 PM
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Like you said: By referring to "all invididuals" (or, better, "persons" or "citizens.")
24/10/2012 04:14:55 PM
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But we know very well that it doesn't have dire commercial consequences.
25/10/2012 07:17:55 PM
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We aren't asking for something better or different.
23/10/2012 04:27:04 PM
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I have several friends who practice polyamory, if they wanted to marry I would support it. *NM*
24/10/2012 06:47:58 PM
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