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In the legal sense of marriage, yeah, they kinda do. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/10/2012 07:20:38 AM
Like I said, this is something people need to sit down and really think on, discussing various injustices, real or perceived or POV doesn't accomplish much.

The issue is the legally binding rights, privileges and obligations of consenting adult partners in households and families: Legal marriage, by that term or another. Resolving the issue requires little objective thought: Define the legal rights, privileges and obligations, and the Equal Protection Clause ensures they are universal.

I appreciate the Libertarian approach, but here it illustrates my usual problem with that approach in general: Abolishing government does not usher in utopian freedom, because government has many legitimate and vital duties. And yes, real injustices matter, especially when they compound bereavement with bankruptcy and/or separate families because the law does not consider one partner a "real" parent. We do not—cannot—ignore real injustice on the grounds it is only anecdotal; that is largely why the Fourteenth Amendment exists. What happened to the Ohioans who agreed so strongly they died for it?
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy? - 20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM 1418 Views
Legal rights. - 20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM 820 Views
It almost sounds like you are saying... - 20/10/2012 12:31:40 AM 795 Views
That is what I'm saying it. - 20/10/2012 01:07:50 AM 776 Views
Technically, privileges, not rights. - 20/10/2012 04:16:45 AM 780 Views
Sure - 20/10/2012 12:35:53 AM 712 Views
All for it... For adults over the age of 18. *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:18:04 AM 422 Views
What about it? - 20/10/2012 01:21:17 AM 777 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:51:25 AM 449 Views
+2 *NM* - 20/10/2012 11:18:39 AM 397 Views
should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM 399 Views
poly people? - 20/10/2012 12:44:01 PM 742 Views
Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM 386 Views
That's a huge chunk of what government does. - 20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM 747 Views
That's not what I'm saying - 21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM 769 Views
So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard! - 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM 721 Views
Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence.. - 20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM 786 Views
Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid. - 20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM 712 Views
The more fool you. - 21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM 807 Views
Ha! Point. *NM* - 20/10/2012 05:40:34 AM 585 Views
Marriage is always a choice, whatever the motive(s.) - 22/10/2012 04:00:40 PM 741 Views
I got no opinion on it. - 20/10/2012 12:51:43 PM 839 Views
The idea of a group marriage makes me uncomfortable - 20/10/2012 04:19:48 PM 715 Views
As long as it is equitable - 20/10/2012 05:55:57 PM 712 Views
The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway - 21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM 787 Views
Indeed - 21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM 844 Views
I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business. - 21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM 1116 Views
And so? - 21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM 739 Views
Re: And so? - 21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM 922 Views
Agreed in principle, but custody/cohabitation/assets go well beyond name change. - 22/10/2012 04:37:09 PM 717 Views
This is the sort of thing that *needs* to be about principle - 23/10/2012 04:54:10 AM 647 Views
Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement. - 23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM 693 Views
None of which need hinge on marriage - 23/10/2012 05:54:07 AM 656 Views
In the legal sense of marriage, yeah, they kinda do. - 23/10/2012 07:20:38 AM 685 Views
Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none. - 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM 802 Views
You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed. - 23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM 718 Views
Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government. - 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM 658 Views
Much less force, yes. - 23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM 663 Views
The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business." - 23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM 737 Views
+1 *NM* - 23/10/2012 07:36:46 PM 331 Views
No the analogy is not exact, nor legally the same... - 23/10/2012 07:33:25 PM 631 Views
Analogy is not equality, only similarity. - 24/10/2012 04:37:29 PM 834 Views
We aren't asking for something better or different. - 23/10/2012 04:27:04 PM 720 Views
yeah, it is very circular. - 23/10/2012 07:44:33 PM 757 Views

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