Foreign policy was touted as Obama's strong point and what he'd win on, he clearly didn't, so whether it was a Romney win, draw, or even a mild Obama win is pretty damn irrelevant, Romney keeps the inertia of the challenger unblunted, as foreign policy isn't too important right now and all he had to do was not look bad and Obama needed to come off Presidential and make Romney look un-Presidential, the latter didn't happen and frankly I think he blew the former with a lot of people too.
I don't see any game changer from this one though.
I don't see any game changer from this one though.
The only person who thought Obama won the first debate was Obama, and only until he got offstage and started talked to advisors stunned to hear him say so.
I agree it probably will not change much, but in addition to being oily and breathless to Obamas measured firmness throughout, Romney was factually shredded. My favorite part was his assertion that Syria is Irans only route to the sea, which would be true if not for the Persian Gulf which is their longest border and NAMED AFTER THEM! Saying Detroit would have avoided bankruptcy thanks to private bailouts was good, too, though, since every private firm asked for a bailout—including Bain Capital—said they would not touch that with a ten foot pole with the economy in the mess it was in when Bush left office. Even were all that not true (though it undeniably is,) "me, too, but better" is no way to win a debate.
Romney got trounced, but it probably will not matter since 1) Obama was understood to have a big foreign policy edge, 2) most voters are far more concerned about the economy and 3) most impressions were made and cemented in the first debate.
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Between the ships, horses, bayonets, and lines about loving teachers...
23/10/2012 04:44:32 AM
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He loves teachers, but only so long as we are seen and not heard.
23/10/2012 05:07:15 AM
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Which might those be?
23/10/2012 07:25:24 AM
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Romney did a good job, ultimately.
23/10/2012 05:13:00 AM
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I think it's safe to say foreign policy doesn't interest either of them all that much
23/10/2012 05:30:53 AM
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They really need to get together with the Greens.
23/10/2012 07:02:18 AM
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are you familiar with that scene in "life of brian"?
23/10/2012 05:25:54 PM
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I am indeed, but I do not see how proportional representation would help much.
23/10/2012 05:38:27 PM
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because PR coupled with IRV gives voters a lot more choice than D vs R
23/10/2012 09:47:27 PM
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PR mainly seems to give the same choices more OUTCOMES (and meshes poorly with IRV.)
24/10/2012 12:38:29 PM
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The instapolls declared Obama victor in #1 too, Romney won this one
23/10/2012 06:00:26 AM
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*blinks*
23/10/2012 06:08:00 AM
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With you on the first part, but most people conceded Obama had the edge on foreign policy.
23/10/2012 06:24:24 AM
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Which instapoll said Obama won the first debate?
23/10/2012 06:18:45 AM
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are you sure you weren't re-watching the first debate?
23/10/2012 06:08:36 PM
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No, defintely watching this one
24/10/2012 04:02:44 AM
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romney should be hanging in the wind with the way he campaigned
24/10/2012 06:28:40 AM
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So your rebuttal is to call for Romney's death? Nice *NM*
24/10/2012 06:57:19 AM
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yes, way to misconstrue what i said without actually responding to any of it *NM*
24/10/2012 05:20:07 PM
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You said it, not me, but way to double down on it, very classy *NM*
25/10/2012 03:00:10 AM
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i see romney has taught you the ways of the douchebag asshole. you used to be better than that...
25/10/2012 05:42:38 AM
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In fairness to Isaac, the terminology used typically describes hanging a criminal
25/10/2012 06:55:43 AM
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i'm sure if it were not the end of the election cycle he would not have taken it that way
25/10/2012 05:52:25 PM
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I must agree with Isaac and Legolas; violent language like that is a (literal) trigger for nutjobs.
29/10/2012 07:00:53 PM
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I have agreed with the post mortems till now; no idea how anyone can score that a Romney win.
23/10/2012 06:01:22 AM
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My favorite gaffe of the night:
23/10/2012 06:07:19 AM
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Honestly, it was hard to miss: The Persian Gulf is named after Iran.
23/10/2012 06:28:25 AM
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I was wondering what Iran would see as weaker
23/10/2012 12:59:38 PM
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Hopefully America is wondering the same thing, but that presumes most of us can find Iran on a map.
23/10/2012 04:01:19 PM
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..and the folks poking fun at him hope we only look at the cropped map they provide. *NM*
23/10/2012 07:18:11 PM
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It was a poorly worded statement, the "sea" being referred to is the Med, but essentially correct.
23/10/2012 07:16:37 PM
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What is this, the 19th century? Why is the Med so important?
23/10/2012 10:20:11 PM
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Commercial, Iran doesn't have a navy worth mentioning.
24/10/2012 03:41:46 PM
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Okay, commercial, that narrows it down. How, exactly?
24/10/2012 06:02:01 PM
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Right family (Hussein of Jordan), wrong generation by a few hundered years.
25/10/2012 06:16:51 PM
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Hm. Curious who you mean, then.
25/10/2012 11:52:06 PM
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You are too hung up on a "port"
26/10/2012 03:13:59 PM
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That's what Romney and you said, isn't it? Access to the Mediterranean.
26/10/2012 11:30:55 PM
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Re: That's what Romney and you said, isn't it? Access to the Mediterranean.
29/10/2012 02:23:33 PM
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Commercial interests are the only relevant ones, but commerical shipping has the Suez.
25/10/2012 11:31:23 PM
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and one he seems to keep making - how many times do you give someone the benefit of the doubt?
23/10/2012 11:46:55 PM
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it is simply a standard descriptive line.
24/10/2012 03:54:49 PM
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What is?
25/10/2012 11:15:28 AM
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Not really my contradictions, Frankly I think most of the political enteties in the ME are nuts. *NM*
25/10/2012 06:23:51 PM
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I'm refering to the contradictions of your argument, not the region
25/10/2012 11:47:29 PM
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Irans route to the sea is "not being landlocked;" it must go through Iraq to reach Syria.
24/10/2012 05:45:41 PM
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It is not ships and military conquest through the Med, it is political and ideological/religious.
25/10/2012 09:57:18 PM
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Um, I am pretty sure that stuff travels by internet and radio, not by sea.
25/10/2012 11:27:17 PM
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It is sociological, political, and religous, it does not have to make logical sense. *NM*
29/10/2012 02:26:43 PM
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If Romney wants to be president, he should make sense, particularly when arguing a cause for war.
29/10/2012 06:46:06 PM
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Obama trounced him but he was always going to and by this point nobody cares anymore
23/10/2012 12:58:12 PM
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The election is a tossup. Could really go either way at this point. *NM*
23/10/2012 11:06:39 PM
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inexplicably a tossup. normally the proven liar (romney) would have no chance
23/10/2012 11:36:16 PM
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Pointing to one side of a political debate/campaign and yelling LIAR is the definition of hypocrisy. *NM*
25/10/2012 09:59:08 PM
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well then prove to us mitt romney is not a liar and i will retract my statements *NM*
25/10/2012 10:32:18 PM
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