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Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM
Nobody should be bound to define their mutually consensual relationships with other adults of sound mind unless the state has a undeniably clear reason to butt their noses in, like a legal contract for custody or cohabitation or shared assets, etc. Now religion or personal? Different story, plural marriage is immoral in my opinion and nobody has a right to make me personally recognize it as valid.

That is kind of the problem: The law confers, via marriage, privileges (and obligations) in those areas, and the Equal Protection Clause constitutionally prohibits doing so for some but not others.

We're seeing a generational shift toward the idea that the government shouldn't be dictating personal relationships, and from my perspective people need to be viewing this not as good/bad or better/ok but my business vs not my business and gov't business vs not something state should be involved in.

So I agree as long as we follow through to the logical conclusion, not just stopping at name changes. The Windsor case is a good example: A widow paid $300,000+ inheritance tax—instead of NOTHING—solely because she married a woman instead of a man. Simply recognizing name changes cannot fix that.
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy? - 20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM 1382 Views
Legal rights. - 20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM 785 Views
It almost sounds like you are saying... - 20/10/2012 12:31:40 AM 757 Views
That is what I'm saying it. - 20/10/2012 01:07:50 AM 739 Views
Technically, privileges, not rights. - 20/10/2012 04:16:45 AM 741 Views
Sure - 20/10/2012 12:35:53 AM 673 Views
All for it... For adults over the age of 18. *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:18:04 AM 395 Views
What about it? - 20/10/2012 01:21:17 AM 742 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:51:25 AM 428 Views
+2 *NM* - 20/10/2012 11:18:39 AM 379 Views
should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM 383 Views
poly people? - 20/10/2012 12:44:01 PM 713 Views
Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM 371 Views
That's a huge chunk of what government does. - 20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM 713 Views
That's not what I'm saying - 21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM 732 Views
So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard! - 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM 682 Views
Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence.. - 20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM 756 Views
Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid. - 20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM 676 Views
The more fool you. - 21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM 771 Views
Ha! Point. *NM* - 20/10/2012 05:40:34 AM 570 Views
Marriage is always a choice, whatever the motive(s.) - 22/10/2012 04:00:40 PM 706 Views
I got no opinion on it. - 20/10/2012 12:51:43 PM 797 Views
The idea of a group marriage makes me uncomfortable - 20/10/2012 04:19:48 PM 681 Views
As long as it is equitable - 20/10/2012 05:55:57 PM 675 Views
The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway - 21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM 747 Views
Indeed - 21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM 805 Views
I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business. - 21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM 1079 Views
And so? - 21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM 708 Views
Re: And so? - 21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM 876 Views
Agreed in principle, but custody/cohabitation/assets go well beyond name change. - 22/10/2012 04:37:09 PM 678 Views
This is the sort of thing that *needs* to be about principle - 23/10/2012 04:54:10 AM 610 Views
Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement. - 23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM 660 Views
None of which need hinge on marriage - 23/10/2012 05:54:07 AM 617 Views
In the legal sense of marriage, yeah, they kinda do. - 23/10/2012 07:20:38 AM 637 Views
Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none. - 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM 756 Views
You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed. - 23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM 683 Views
Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government. - 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM 620 Views
Much less force, yes. - 23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM 623 Views
The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business." - 23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM 698 Views
+1 *NM* - 23/10/2012 07:36:46 PM 315 Views
No the analogy is not exact, nor legally the same... - 23/10/2012 07:33:25 PM 592 Views
Analogy is not equality, only similarity. - 24/10/2012 04:37:29 PM 788 Views
We aren't asking for something better or different. - 23/10/2012 04:27:04 PM 681 Views
yeah, it is very circular. - 23/10/2012 07:44:33 PM 715 Views

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