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You obviously have no idea what a right is. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 22/10/2012 11:49:26 PM
Parental obligations and privledges are determined by the courts "in the best interest of the child" In other words they are set to protect the rights OF THE CHILD not the parents. They may be called "parental rights" for convienence, but they are NOT rights. Rights are not granted by a court decree, they exist WITHOUT law. Law can only defnine what naturally exists, or eliminate them, never grant them. We do not have freedom of speech BECAUSE of the 1st amendment, the 1st amendment exists to prevent the freedom of speech from being taken away by the government.

Property rights are a part of the Constitution. A marriage is a legal entity, just like a corporation. The marriage owns property. The marriage is composed of 2 individuals. The disolution of a marriage is just like the disolution of a company, the property owned by the marriage has liquidated and shared among the "shareholders".

There is NO marriage RIGHTS.
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2nd Circuit rules in favor of Edith Windsor. DOMA unconstitutional. Burr - 18/10/2012 08:37:12 PM 970 Views
An excellent ruling. Thanks for the post. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/10/2012 08:47:54 PM 269 Views
Oh, and they addressed the First Circuit's argument: Burr - 18/10/2012 08:54:47 PM 752 Views
I always knew that DomA guy was bad news. Nate - 18/10/2012 09:05:13 PM 505 Views
Completely unsurprising since the Justice department refuses to defend the law. HyogaRott - 18/10/2012 09:05:16 PM 557 Views
For a moment there I thought you were saying the Supreme Court had ruled it unconstitutional. Legolas - 18/10/2012 09:10:16 PM 599 Views
Do you know if there's a case about DOMA and the "full faith and credit" clause? Tim - 18/10/2012 10:05:11 PM 670 Views
I don't know offhand, but my gchat friend will. If she pops on again, I'll ask her. But... Burr - 18/10/2012 10:37:09 PM 689 Views
I asked her about pending cases taking on Section 2. "None that I know of," she answered. *NM* Burr - 19/10/2012 12:46:21 AM 244 Views
I wonder about that one as well. Joel - 19/10/2012 12:39:54 AM 624 Views
Re: I wonder about that one as well. Burr - 19/10/2012 01:18:22 AM 610 Views
Either a ban discriminates against those affected more than those unaffected, or it does not. Joel - 19/10/2012 03:48:32 PM 506 Views
Gun control laws can equally affect everyone, though, is my point. Burr - 20/10/2012 10:52:41 PM 607 Views
I'm sure there is. The California case is likely to discuss it. Tom - 19/10/2012 02:48:02 PM 667 Views
There is a good chance it won't happen Roland00 - 19/10/2012 03:02:50 PM 734 Views
Kennedy will go along with them. *NM* Tom - 19/10/2012 10:05:38 PM 254 Views
I just have to note in passing that Ted Olsons memoires will make fascinating reading. Joel - 19/10/2012 04:44:15 PM 701 Views
Also, hooray! Let's hope SCOTUS adheres (if you use that term over there). *NM* Tim - 18/10/2012 10:59:14 PM 264 Views
I believe we typically use the terms "affirms" or "upholds." Joel - 19/10/2012 12:23:50 AM 661 Views
As it should be; the DoMA was always a brazen affront to the Equal Protection Clause Joel - 19/10/2012 12:06:13 AM 748 Views
Not really HyogaRott - 19/10/2012 02:16:04 PM 669 Views
Not quite Roland00 - 19/10/2012 02:56:56 PM 545 Views
Yes, really, for "any CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT." Joel - 19/10/2012 03:12:11 PM 644 Views
joel, please stop moondog - 19/10/2012 05:42:51 PM 605 Views
That's such a stupid, puerile argument. Ghavrel - 19/10/2012 03:47:26 PM 621 Views
Not the best analogy, though I agree with the sentiment. Joel - 19/10/2012 04:10:11 PM 554 Views
Then by the "legal argument" you all propose I should have the "right" to marry a spoon... HyogaRott - 19/10/2012 05:48:32 PM 587 Views
if your spoon or dog is capable of making power of attorney decisions then by all means do so *NM* moondog - 19/10/2012 06:41:43 PM 271 Views
How about I "marry" a corporation then. THAT is how stupid the entire arguement is. *NM* HyogaRott - 19/10/2012 07:25:13 PM 262 Views
provide for us a legal reason why marrying a corporation should be recognized by the US gov't moondog - 19/10/2012 08:09:08 PM 661 Views
The argument above was that there was no jsutification it should not, thus it should be allowed. HyogaRott - 19/10/2012 10:57:16 PM 665 Views
you are only offering your own emotional take on a legal decision there is no logic in your posts moondog - 19/10/2012 11:12:17 PM 568 Views
Wrong. I do not have an emotional stake in this, I am simply using logic. *NM* HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 03:59:08 PM 275 Views
saying you should be able to marry a spoon or corporation is not logical reasoning. try again *NM* moondog - 22/10/2012 06:19:29 PM 257 Views
EXACTLY, and that was the point I was making. Congratualtions for figuring that out. *NM* HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 11:34:46 PM 246 Views
you are obviously using some humpty dumpty definition of "logic" then *NM* moondog - 22/10/2012 11:40:12 PM 258 Views
No, you apparently failed reading comprehension in school. HyogaRott - 23/10/2012 03:08:44 PM 591 Views
#1: fuck you. #2: you are still not using logic moondog - 23/10/2012 05:50:14 PM 556 Views
Ah yes, the fuck you argument... the height of all intelectual persuits... and you call ME emotional HyogaRott - 23/10/2012 06:47:21 PM 626 Views
i see -- it's ok to be insulting as long as the "f-bomb" is not used. got it. moondog - 23/10/2012 10:27:54 PM 704 Views
Another good example of how corporations aren't the same as people. *NM* beetnemesis - 19/10/2012 10:07:32 PM 266 Views
Would you be the bride? Would you wear white? Dannymac - 20/10/2012 07:58:52 PM 541 Views
You have obviously not read my posts very carefully HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 04:23:22 PM 520 Views
Ah, the "I have Gay Friends" argument. Dannymac - 22/10/2012 09:33:41 PM 535 Views
No, I am not, try reading everything I have written on the subject before jumping to conclusions. HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 11:41:05 PM 689 Views
It was only a matter of time. Tom - 19/10/2012 02:49:21 PM 595 Views
I do not understand why fundamentalists demand government dictate religion. Joel - 19/10/2012 03:22:54 PM 747 Views
Which is why the entire method of legal attack being mounted is dumb. HyogaRott - 19/10/2012 05:53:12 PM 669 Views
the only ones forcing their beliefs down everyone's throats are people like yourself moondog - 19/10/2012 06:44:57 PM 635 Views
There is no right being denied... HyogaRott - 19/10/2012 07:22:24 PM 601 Views
that is bullshit and you know it. or, alternatively, you do not understand legality in any way moondog - 19/10/2012 08:06:54 PM 667 Views
Re: that is bullshit and you know it. or, alternatively, you do not understand legality in any way HyogaRott - 19/10/2012 11:11:55 PM 724 Views
nobody is arguing the legal right to marry, they are arguing about the legal rights marriage gives moondog - 19/10/2012 11:37:14 PM 561 Views
There are no "marriage rights" NONE, zip, ziltch, nada... HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 04:18:15 PM 602 Views
why bother settling custody in a divorce then if there are no "marriage rights"? moondog - 22/10/2012 06:38:14 PM 502 Views
You obviously have no idea what a right is. HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 11:49:26 PM 840 Views
No? snoopcester - 19/10/2012 11:34:36 PM 572 Views
Really HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 04:29:38 PM 580 Views
You are making one, huge factual mistake that is screwing up your entire argument: Burr - 20/10/2012 11:00:28 PM 621 Views
Nope I am not HyogaRott - 22/10/2012 04:34:59 PM 558 Views
That is just it: Most US marriage laws are already areligious. Joel - 23/10/2012 05:08:38 PM 571 Views
Yes, the laws are 100% secular... HyogaRott - 23/10/2012 07:01:08 PM 546 Views
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