This, and legal recognition of it, is precisely why marriage has become an Equal Protection issue.
Joel Send a noteboard - 22/10/2012 03:40:01 PM
I specifically said at the beginning of my post that I was trying to get into this argument. I wanted to get a sampling of opinions on polygamy from a group that is not hung up on the traditional view of marriage. The reason I specifically addressed supporters of gay marriage is because I know what most other people will say.
Lots of supporters of gay marriage affect an objective or even-handed position, when they are really just shilling for a special interest for the group with whom they sympathize. It is not really about "equality" and personal definitions and choices (since they are trying to strip everyone else of the right to choose to recognize their role-playing games as real or refuse the same), it is about obtaining a special privilege for homosexuals, which they agree with that group obtaining, whether out of sentiment or personal interest.
Marriage is a thing. You don't change its nature by adding a word to the label and making it appear that the true nature of the thing is actually only as aspect of the real nature. That is the view of proponents of marriage. The proponents of alternative domestic arrangements have their own agendas and are as beholden to them as anyone else. They will not be any more fair or impartial, because their reasons for their choice are just as personal and egocentric as anyone's.
People will always pick and choose what they do and do not recognize as valid. However, the Equal Protection Clause quite rightly forbids government doing so: The law must be the same for everyone, without prejudice. Advocates for LEGAL gay marriage, at least most of them, demand no "special" privilege for homosexuals, only that "no State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States... nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
No one is suggesting homosexual marriage gain any benefits of inheritance, taxation, medical visitation/decisions etc. except those heterosexual marriage does. Under the Equal Protection Clause they are EQUALLY in/valid.
Religiously, the dangers of government regulating sacraments are precisely why the First Amendments Non-Establishment Clause exists; I see no reason to ignore and every reason to observe it. Legally, joint ownership and responsibility issues are so critical they "traditionally" preempted romance and religion.
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy?
- 20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM
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Legal rights.
- 20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM
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should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM*
- 20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM
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Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM*
- 20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM
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That's a huge chunk of what government does.
- 20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM
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That's not what I'm saying
- 21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM
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So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard!
- 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM
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Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence..
- 20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM
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Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid.
- 20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM
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The more fool you.
- 21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM
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This, and legal recognition of it, is precisely why marriage has become an Equal Protection issue.
- 22/10/2012 03:40:01 PM
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*NM*
Because they are both violations of the paradigm of genuine marriage. Like it or not.
- 21/10/2012 05:49:32 AM
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I have no problem with polygamy being legal, but marriage is a privilege and can be limited to two.
- 20/10/2012 04:16:08 AM
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The only problem with that is that it was established with a heterosexist assumption
- 21/10/2012 06:33:32 AM
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From a legal perspective, all of your arguments are irrelevant
- 21/10/2012 03:12:39 PM
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This really is blatantly obvious, but still it might bear repeating...
- 21/10/2012 04:43:13 PM
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Yes, but only if its equal. Multi-people relationships should be more acceptable by society.
- 20/10/2012 05:15:24 AM
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*NM*
"Polygamy" is the all-inclusive term; whether or not he meant it, he said it.
- 22/10/2012 04:31:09 PM
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I support autogamy in addition to various forms of exogenic relationships
- 20/10/2012 05:49:07 AM
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Have you seen the Glee episode where Sue Sylvester conducts a marriage of herself to herself? *NM*
- 20/10/2012 09:50:32 AM
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I am fine with it if all existing parties to the marriage consent to each addition.
- 20/10/2012 10:10:19 AM
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The case for polygamy has really weakened rather than strenghtened, you might say.
- 20/10/2012 03:53:34 PM
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I have no problem with it, but as Amy says, it's not really relevant. *NM*
- 20/10/2012 05:40:50 PM
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Legalize polygamy and create a familymaking process, but don't cover polygamy under marriage.
- 20/10/2012 10:14:58 PM
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The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway
- 21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM
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Indeed
- 21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM
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I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business.
- 21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM
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And so?
- 21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM
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Re: And so?
- 21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM
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So can we call it garriage, give the same legal effect and call it good? *NM*
- 22/10/2012 03:28:33 AM
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According to your argument we could afford gay couples the same legal privileges...
- 22/10/2012 03:20:17 AM
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"...separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."
- 22/10/2012 04:45:31 PM
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That may well be the ideal solution. And also the most ironically amusing in how it would fail.
- 22/10/2012 07:35:05 PM
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We already went there and did that in '04, and yes, it was funny as f--k.
- 22/10/2012 09:51:49 PM
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Agreed in principle, but custody/cohabitation/assets go well beyond name change.
- 22/10/2012 04:37:09 PM
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This is the sort of thing that *needs* to be about principle
- 23/10/2012 04:54:10 AM
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Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement.
- 23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM
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Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none.
- 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM
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You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed.
- 23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM
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Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government.
- 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM
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Much less force, yes.
- 23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM
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The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
- 23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM
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Re: The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
- 23/10/2012 07:15:17 PM
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Like you said: By referring to "all invididuals" (or, better, "persons" or "citizens.")
- 24/10/2012 04:14:55 PM
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But we know very well that it doesn't have dire commercial consequences.
- 25/10/2012 07:17:55 PM
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I have several friends who practice polyamory, if they wanted to marry I would support it. *NM*
- 24/10/2012 06:47:58 PM
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