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So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard! Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM
I'm referring to things that aren't inherently wrong, merely made illegal because of religious (Christian) reasons. Things like gay marriage, prostitution, gambling, drugs, etc. As long as something is done by one or more consenting adults, and if there is harm it's done only to the consenting adults, it should be legal.


I am not consenting in my recognition of marriage existing between any combinations of parties beyond one genetic male and one genetic female. Gay marriage harms me by forcing me to accord it the same treatment. That is a curtailment of my individual rights to liberty and property.

As far as the harm caveat, in no way, shape or form could an unborn fetus be considered to be capable of giving consent. Abortion is therefore wrong. The various arguments used to except the fetus from human rights have also been used regarding racial minorities and mentally or physically handicapped individuals or classes, and have also been generally rejected by moral reasoning.

Gun possession and use harms no one, except under existing laws against assault and murder. So long as assault, murder, manslaughter, robbery or threats to life, liberty or property are not done, there is nothing wrong with a person owning, carrying or using a firearm by your definition.

Taxes, on the other hand, do harm to adults by confiscating their property. Direct taxes were unconstitutional in the US for over a century for the very reasons you give.
Cannoli
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy? Narg - 20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM 1424 Views
Legal rights. snoopcester - 20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM 826 Views
It almost sounds like you are saying... Narg - 20/10/2012 12:31:40 AM 801 Views
That is what I'm saying it. snoopcester - 20/10/2012 01:07:50 AM 783 Views
Technically, privileges, not rights. Tom - 20/10/2012 04:16:45 AM 786 Views
Sure A Deathwatch Guard - 20/10/2012 12:35:53 AM 717 Views
All for it... For adults over the age of 18. *NM* globug0822 - 20/10/2012 01:18:04 AM 427 Views
What about it? Ghavrel - 20/10/2012 01:21:17 AM 784 Views
+1 *NM* globug0822 - 20/10/2012 01:51:25 AM 451 Views
+2 *NM* ironclad - 20/10/2012 11:18:39 AM 399 Views
should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM* temeraire - 20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM 401 Views
poly people? Yunalesca - 20/10/2012 12:44:01 PM 751 Views
Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM* Dark Knight - 20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM 390 Views
That's a huge chunk of what government does. Palatine - 20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM 755 Views
That's not what I'm saying Dark Knight - 21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM 776 Views
So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard! Cannoli - 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM 728 Views
Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence.. Amyrlin - 20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM 792 Views
Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid. Narg - 20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM 718 Views
The more fool you. Cannoli - 21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM 813 Views
This, and legal recognition of it, is precisely why marriage has become an Equal Protection issue. Joel - 22/10/2012 03:40:01 PM 744 Views
Ha! Point. *NM* globug0822 - 20/10/2012 05:40:34 AM 589 Views
Because they are both violations of the paradigm of genuine marriage. Like it or not. Cannoli - 21/10/2012 05:49:32 AM 701 Views
Marriage is always a choice, whatever the motive(s.) Joel - 22/10/2012 04:00:40 PM 748 Views
I have no problem with polygamy being legal, but marriage is a privilege and can be limited to two. Tom - 20/10/2012 04:16:08 AM 814 Views
The only problem with that is that it was established with a heterosexist assumption Cannoli - 21/10/2012 06:33:32 AM 772 Views
From a legal perspective, all of your arguments are irrelevant Tom - 21/10/2012 03:12:39 PM 882 Views
How would you argue for putting it in the same category as race? Burr - 21/10/2012 04:28:12 PM 804 Views
I wouldn't put it in exactly the same category. Tom - 21/10/2012 08:43:51 PM 832 Views
This really is blatantly obvious, but still it might bear repeating... Legolas - 21/10/2012 04:43:13 PM 769 Views
That limitation is still prejudicial and somewhat arbitrary. Joel - 22/10/2012 04:25:25 PM 968 Views
Yes, but only if its equal. Multi-people relationships should be more acceptable by society. Aeryn - 20/10/2012 05:15:24 AM 823 Views
On the other hand, marriage also comes from that place. Ghavrel - 20/10/2012 06:11:01 AM 792 Views
There's a pun to be made from your comment *NM* Larry - 20/10/2012 06:12:53 AM 641 Views
"Polygamy" is the all-inclusive term; whether or not he meant it, he said it. Joel - 22/10/2012 04:31:09 PM 715 Views
I support autogamy in addition to various forms of exogenic relationships Larry - 20/10/2012 05:49:07 AM 747 Views
Have you seen the Glee episode where Sue Sylvester conducts a marriage of herself to herself? *NM* Tim - 20/10/2012 09:50:32 AM 387 Views
I am fine with it if all existing parties to the marriage consent to each addition. Tim - 20/10/2012 10:10:19 AM 831 Views
I got no opinion on it. LordPerrin - 20/10/2012 12:51:43 PM 845 Views
The case for polygamy has really weakened rather than strenghtened, you might say. Legolas - 20/10/2012 03:53:34 PM 933 Views
The idea of a group marriage makes me uncomfortable kHz1000 - 20/10/2012 04:19:48 PM 721 Views
I have no problem with it, but as Amy says, it's not really relevant. *NM* beetnemesis - 20/10/2012 05:40:50 PM 416 Views
As long as it is equitable imlad - 20/10/2012 05:55:57 PM 718 Views
Legalize polygamy and create a familymaking process, but don't cover polygamy under marriage. Burr - 20/10/2012 10:14:58 PM 740 Views
The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway Isaac - 21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM 793 Views
Indeed Cannoli - 21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM 852 Views
I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business. Burr - 21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM 1122 Views
And so? Cannoli - 21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM 748 Views
Re: And so? Burr - 21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM 930 Views
So can we call it garriage, give the same legal effect and call it good? *NM* Narg - 22/10/2012 03:28:33 AM 395 Views
That would be fine with me, if that's really what came about. Burr - 22/10/2012 04:35:24 AM 758 Views
According to your argument we could afford gay couples the same legal privileges... Narg - 22/10/2012 03:20:17 AM 684 Views
Yes! We just don't trust you guys to actually do that. Burr - 22/10/2012 04:36:43 AM 787 Views
"...separate educational facilities are inherently unequal." Joel - 22/10/2012 04:45:31 PM 759 Views
That may well be the ideal solution. And also the most ironically amusing in how it would fail. Burr - 22/10/2012 07:35:05 PM 716 Views
We already went there and did that in '04, and yes, it was funny as f--k. Joel - 22/10/2012 09:51:49 PM 666 Views
Agreed in principle, but custody/cohabitation/assets go well beyond name change. Joel - 22/10/2012 04:37:09 PM 726 Views
This is the sort of thing that *needs* to be about principle Isaac - 23/10/2012 04:54:10 AM 657 Views
Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement. Joel - 23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM 699 Views
None of which need hinge on marriage Isaac - 23/10/2012 05:54:07 AM 661 Views
In the legal sense of marriage, yeah, they kinda do. Joel - 23/10/2012 07:20:38 AM 695 Views
Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none. Joel - 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM 806 Views
You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed. HyogaRott - 23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM 722 Views
Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government. Joel - 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM 664 Views
Much less force, yes. Burr - 23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM 674 Views
The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business." Joel - 23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM 745 Views
Re: The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business." Burr - 23/10/2012 07:15:17 PM 682 Views
Like you said: By referring to "all invididuals" (or, better, "persons" or "citizens.") Joel - 24/10/2012 04:14:55 PM 712 Views
But we know very well that it doesn't have dire commercial consequences. Burr - 25/10/2012 07:17:55 PM 757 Views
Depends on where you look, and for how long. Joel - 26/10/2012 01:19:00 AM 752 Views
+1 *NM* HyogaRott - 23/10/2012 07:36:46 PM 334 Views
No the analogy is not exact, nor legally the same... HyogaRott - 23/10/2012 07:33:25 PM 638 Views
Analogy is not equality, only similarity. Joel - 24/10/2012 04:37:29 PM 840 Views
We aren't asking for something better or different. Burr - 23/10/2012 04:27:04 PM 727 Views
yeah, it is very circular. HyogaRott - 23/10/2012 07:44:33 PM 765 Views
I have several friends who practice polyamory, if they wanted to marry I would support it. *NM* Jojjo - 24/10/2012 06:47:58 PM 366 Views
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