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Not the best analogy, though I agree with the sentiment. Joel Send a noteboard - 19/10/2012 04:10:11 PM

DOMA (and homosexual marriage) is not an equal protections issue, no matter how many people try to claim it is. A hetrosexual and a homosexual have the exact same marriage privledge (it is not a "right" anyways). That is the definition of equal rights.

Just like a building with stairs is equally accessible to the handicapped and the able-bodied, because both of them can choose to walk up the stairs.

Homosexuals are not physically incapable of heterosexual marriage, after all. It denies their liberty of conscience, and offers few benefits in exchange for great discomfort and anxiety, but they are as legally and physically capable of marrying someone of the opposite sex as I am of sticking my hand in a blender. The issue is that it is patently discriminatory to say some consenting adults but not others may enter into a valid legal contract, that the same legal agreement can be valid OR invalid solely on the basis of sex.

I note once again that a better analogy would be to saying, "gun bans are not discriminatory because they affect owners and non-owners equally."" As I said to Burr, justifying a law by saying those unaffected by it are equally affects is nonsense. It continues to fascinate me how those on opposite sides of the gay marriage issue will quickly and deftly swap rationales on guns. BOTH sides simultaneously and totally flip-flopping is an amazing testament to cognitive dissonance. <img class=2' />

Of course marriage is a right. It confers socioeconomic benefits and civil acceptance on the union of a couple.

That does not make it a right; the need for ancillary laws defining marriage privileges and protections demonstrates how little standing it has as an inalienable right. A drivers license confers socioeconomic benefits and civil acceptance, too, but that gives no one a RIGHT to one. However, the Equal Protection Clause requires all state laws equally apply to everyone under their jurisdiction, whether or not those laws pertain to rights. The critical RIGHT here is to equal protection under the law, not marriage; a state arbitrarily (i.e. without cause) granting some people drivers licenses but not others would violate the Equal Protection Clause every bit as much, even though there is no constitutional right to a drivers license. US law does not allow declaring competent adults second class citizens.
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2nd Circuit rules in favor of Edith Windsor. DOMA unconstitutional. - 18/10/2012 08:37:12 PM 902 Views
An excellent ruling. Thanks for the post. *NM* - 18/10/2012 08:47:54 PM 256 Views
Oh, and they addressed the First Circuit's argument: - 18/10/2012 08:54:47 PM 710 Views
I always knew that DomA guy was bad news. - 18/10/2012 09:05:13 PM 466 Views
As it should be; the DoMA was always a brazen affront to the Equal Protection Clause - 19/10/2012 12:06:13 AM 713 Views
Not really - 19/10/2012 02:16:04 PM 636 Views
Not quite - 19/10/2012 02:56:56 PM 504 Views
Yes, really, for "any CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT." - 19/10/2012 03:12:11 PM 608 Views
joel, please stop - 19/10/2012 05:42:51 PM 571 Views
That's such a stupid, puerile argument. - 19/10/2012 03:47:26 PM 588 Views
Not the best analogy, though I agree with the sentiment. - 19/10/2012 04:10:11 PM 517 Views
Then by the "legal argument" you all propose I should have the "right" to marry a spoon... - 19/10/2012 05:48:32 PM 548 Views
if your spoon or dog is capable of making power of attorney decisions then by all means do so *NM* - 19/10/2012 06:41:43 PM 257 Views
How about I "marry" a corporation then. THAT is how stupid the entire arguement is. *NM* - 19/10/2012 07:25:13 PM 248 Views
Another good example of how corporations aren't the same as people. *NM* - 19/10/2012 10:07:32 PM 252 Views
Would you be the bride? Would you wear white? - 20/10/2012 07:58:52 PM 504 Views
You have obviously not read my posts very carefully - 22/10/2012 04:23:22 PM 480 Views
Ah, the "I have Gay Friends" argument. - 22/10/2012 09:33:41 PM 501 Views
It was only a matter of time. - 19/10/2012 02:49:21 PM 556 Views
I do not understand why fundamentalists demand government dictate religion. - 19/10/2012 03:22:54 PM 715 Views
Which is why the entire method of legal attack being mounted is dumb. - 19/10/2012 05:53:12 PM 626 Views
the only ones forcing their beliefs down everyone's throats are people like yourself - 19/10/2012 06:44:57 PM 595 Views
There is no right being denied... - 19/10/2012 07:22:24 PM 558 Views
No? - 19/10/2012 11:34:36 PM 537 Views
Really - 22/10/2012 04:29:38 PM 537 Views
You are making one, huge factual mistake that is screwing up your entire argument: - 20/10/2012 11:00:28 PM 581 Views
Nope I am not - 22/10/2012 04:34:59 PM 522 Views
That is just it: Most US marriage laws are already areligious. - 23/10/2012 05:08:38 PM 536 Views
Yes, the laws are 100% secular... - 23/10/2012 07:01:08 PM 504 Views

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