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This thread seems an ideal place, but OK. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 04:34:28 AM
There is plenty of evidence out there, in the canon itself, in other sources, in external evidence, that makes it more than a conspiracy theory. I am trying to get a massive number of things done today and don't have the time, and this thread is not the place, but I can recommend some books if you like.

If I am correct to presume you do not mean Gnostic apologetics, sure, that would be great. The canon often refers to "mysteries," but not in any deliberately opaque way; again, each such reference describes mysteries to the extent possible, neither stating nor implying the writer or anyone has any greater understanding than that presented in the text, and usually suggesting no better understanding is possible for man. The other sources and external evidence of which I am aware are all decades (if not a full century) after the canonical Gospels, making it hard to accept the premise their philosophy predates that the canonical Gospels express. I do at least try to remain objective, so if you have sources not vulnerable to those criticisms, please do share, with my thanks.
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That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM* - 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM 552 Views
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BRIDE - 20/09/2012 03:39:30 PM 794 Views
Two things why it is important - 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM 794 Views
There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD: - 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM 736 Views
The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD. - 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM 744 Views
What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it? - 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM 817 Views
The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies - 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM 725 Views
I would buy 200 AD, of course. - 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM 796 Views
It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point. - 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM 764 Views
Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD. - 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM 775 Views
I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors. - 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM 705 Views
Not even Mark or Luke? - 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM 732 Views
Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek - 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM 684 Views
True, but everyone also knew Paul spoke it fluently, and he would have been an ideal choice. - 24/09/2012 06:20:22 AM 745 Views
Some people did "lie big". - 24/09/2012 02:11:58 PM 774 Views
I forgot about (or possibly repressed memories of) the Gnostics "Gospel" of Peter. - 24/09/2012 11:26:43 PM 842 Views
I'm not trying to defend Gnosticism doctrinally, but... - 24/09/2012 11:51:40 PM 816 Views
I am not relying SOLELY (or chiefly) on popularity though. - 25/09/2012 02:21:01 AM 771 Views
The Gnostic response would be: - 25/09/2012 06:01:58 AM 715 Views
That just sounds like more conspiracy allegations based on desire rather than evidence. - 25/09/2012 07:15:06 AM 861 Views
The issue of evidence for Gnosticism would make this thread unnecessarily long. - 25/09/2012 07:28:22 PM 700 Views
This thread seems an ideal place, but OK. - 26/09/2012 04:34:28 AM 836 Views
What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition? - 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM 818 Views
Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago. - 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM 764 Views
Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well - 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM 906 Views
Let's not get started on Funk - 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM 703 Views
So true - 22/09/2012 10:23:08 PM 815 Views
don't these people have anything better to do? - 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM 740 Views
Clearly not. - 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM 654 Views
then i'll escape this thread before anyone twigs - 22/09/2012 08:12:37 PM 816 Views
Too late, I have already twigged, branched and treed. - 22/09/2012 08:58:39 PM 799 Views
I know! - 21/09/2012 06:48:33 AM 926 Views
See, Tom, you made a mistake. - 22/09/2012 10:25:22 AM 778 Views

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