Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM*
Dark Knight Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM
This looks like another one of those plays like the Tuck Rule play - to all appearances and common sense it's BS, but by the strict letter of NFL rules, it was correctly called. All too often in cases of contested possession, it comes down to whoever has it last. Tate had hands on the ball, before and after landing in the end zone, it never touched the ground, so it does not matter what the Green Bay player was doing.
If a fumble can go to the player who pulls it out of another's arms at the bottom of a pile (when the first one to have it should be down by contact), then a catch can be ruled a similar way. It doesn't matter how much the one player tries to wrap his body around the ball - in replays, Tate's left hand appears to be between the ball & Jenning's chest, and he was holding the ball enough that if he was the only one touching it, it would have been ruled a catch, therefore what Jennings does is IRRELEVANT. All that matters is what the receiver is doing.
You can dispute the legitimacy of the rule, and the interpretation, but the referees followed the letter of the law.
Formerly Mat Bloody Cauthon on Wotmania, blessed be its name
/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM*
25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM
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Link? Clip?
25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM
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Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM*
25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM
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Here's a link.
25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM
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Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post.
25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM
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youtube link
25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM
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Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD.
25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM
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pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened
25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM
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I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver.
26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM
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watch a better replay if you can
26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM
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Have now; still not convinced.
26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM
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also, the pass interference on tate that wasn't called is clear at 0:56 in that clip
25/09/2012 11:27:36 AM
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Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields.
26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM
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watch a better replay and get back to me on this one.
26/09/2012 02:36:43 AM
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Where did the NFL head office acknowledge that?
26/09/2012 03:52:36 AM
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in their official response to the whole incident....?
26/09/2012 04:14:52 AM
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Fair enough then; the NFLs official position is that offensive PI should have been called.
26/09/2012 04:45:58 AM
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Yeah, if one hand counts as possession
25/09/2012 05:15:37 PM
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Left hand between Jennings' arms and on the ball; right was outside Jennings' arm and on the ball.
26/09/2012 01:38:28 AM
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How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM*
25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM
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No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited.
26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM
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While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees...
25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM
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Now I really want to see this play.
25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM
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Re: Now I really want to see this play.
25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM
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I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball.
26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM
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You might appreciate learning that the Lingerie Football League fired some of these refs
25/09/2012 07:19:37 AM
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Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year
25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM
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you probably think greedo shot first too.....
25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM
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Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then
25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM
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he had nothing until they landed and he tried to pull it away. everyone but you agrees on this *NM*
25/09/2012 03:25:43 PM
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Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play.
26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM
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They can't reverse that call.
25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM
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the only possible way was to rule it incomplete
25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM
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It was very obviously caught; you can't rule that incomplete.
25/09/2012 11:06:17 PM
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my philosophy is "interception = incomplete" but i think that's only for stats purposes
26/09/2012 12:32:43 AM
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Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM*
25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM
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I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM*
25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM
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Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM*
25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM
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I have seen enough of it, and while I did not write Cannolis response, I easily could have.
26/09/2012 02:06:45 AM
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Slightly (very) loopy yet entertaining piece on why Ayn Rand is to blame for all of this.
25/09/2012 05:38:12 PM
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She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each.
26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM
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Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see
25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM
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Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times.
26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM
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you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it?
26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM
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I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip.
26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM
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you sure you saw the right replay?
26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM
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Think so, yeah.
26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM
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from another angle -- pun intended
26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM
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There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip?
27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM
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your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug*
27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM
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Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily.
27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM
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did you even read that article???
28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM
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"his control wasn’t established again...."
28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM
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wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong
28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM
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Worst calls are made all the time by the regular officials.
26/09/2012 01:23:57 AM
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yes, but not usually more than one per game, certainly not several in a single weekend.... *NM*
26/09/2012 02:39:56 AM
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