Active Users:1166 Time:22/11/2024 08:49:47 AM
True, but everyone also knew Paul spoke it fluently, and he would have been an ideal choice. Joel Send a noteboard - 24/09/2012 06:20:22 AM
Mark was known as the translator for Peter, so that's the closest you can get to the Petrine tradition for something written in Greek.

Fair point, and that fits with Marks general recognition as the earliest extant Gospel. The same logic applies to Luke with regard to Paul. However, in both cases anyone seeking to borrow from the stature of an apostle would have naturally chosen to falsely present the work as Peter or Pauls rather than merely of their scribes. If I wanted to fake a manuscript from the Kennedy White House, attributing it to JFK himself would carry far more weight than attributing it to Ted Sorensen, and I were going to lie I might as well go big. Likewise if I found someones else manuscript and wanted to present it as a historical document.

The point is that all of the gospels circulated anonymously. Mark may have been written by Mark, but the attribution comes after the real Mark would have been dead. In fact, Mark is the only one of the gospels where the attribution might come early, if Eusebius is correct in his attribution. Matthew doesn't appear at the top of "his" gospel until the Third Century (which means that the Thomas attribution for the Gospel of Thomas predates Matthew's attribution), and Luke remains anonymous to Papias, Justin and Marcion, and only starting with Irenaeus in the late Second Century is there any attribution of a gospel to him (Adv. Haer. 3.1.2). The first time the gospel (together with Acts) is attributed to him at the top of the copy is in the late Second Century.

That is reasonable, but someone a century or more later scribbling a Thomas byline is no more significant than someone else scribbling a Mark or John byline.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Reply to message
So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds... - 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM 1224 Views
That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM* - 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM 551 Views
What is the context? The canonical bible says Christ has a wife: The Church. - 19/09/2012 11:25:19 PM 855 Views
Oh please...don't confuse "wife" with "bride" - 19/09/2012 11:35:09 PM 825 Views
What word do the Prophets use for Israels relationship to God? - 20/09/2012 12:38:20 AM 817 Views
BRIDE - 20/09/2012 03:39:30 PM 794 Views
Two things why it is important - 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM 793 Views
There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD: - 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM 735 Views
The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD. - 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM 744 Views
What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it? - 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM 816 Views
The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies - 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM 725 Views
I would buy 200 AD, of course. - 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM 795 Views
It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point. - 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM 764 Views
Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD. - 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM 775 Views
I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors. - 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM 705 Views
Not even Mark or Luke? - 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM 732 Views
Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek - 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM 684 Views
True, but everyone also knew Paul spoke it fluently, and he would have been an ideal choice. - 24/09/2012 06:20:22 AM 745 Views
Some people did "lie big". - 24/09/2012 02:11:58 PM 774 Views
What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition? - 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM 817 Views
Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago. - 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM 763 Views
Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well - 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM 906 Views
Let's not get started on Funk - 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM 703 Views
So true - 22/09/2012 10:23:08 PM 815 Views
don't these people have anything better to do? - 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM 740 Views
Clearly not. - 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM 654 Views
then i'll escape this thread before anyone twigs - 22/09/2012 08:12:37 PM 816 Views
Too late, I have already twigged, branched and treed. - 22/09/2012 08:58:39 PM 799 Views
I know! - 21/09/2012 06:48:33 AM 926 Views
See, Tom, you made a mistake. - 22/09/2012 10:25:22 AM 778 Views

Reply to Message