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An act of war is almost by definition the beginning of a war. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 04:58:25 AM
You can argue which act of war started the war but it seems like it would make sense form a logical point of view to go with the first act of war. I would argue that allowing people to use your country to train and plan attacks on another country is an act of war and the Taliban was the government at the time. Also technically the resumption of violence following the violation of an armistice agreement is really the same war even if it is a decade later.

Seems to me it would make sense to go with, well, common sense. I'm not sure why you're even bothering to deny this, anyway, as I said it wasn't the intention to blame the US for starting those wars (though in the case of Iraq, that doesn't mean I necessarily consider it a good idea, just that I don't feel like arguing about it here).

Though he picked an choice; he seems to have forgotten that was Clintons argument for firing cruise missiles at Iraqi SAM batteries, and that Republicans condemned at the time because:

1) Saddam was not threat to the US,
2) The missiles cost ~$1 million apiece, so firing them needlessly increased our debt and
3) The missiles were also finite, so firing them needlessly lowered our readiness.

It is quite a bizarre argument given those same people five years later insisted Saddam was threat to the US so dire it justified trillions of dollars in new debt (i.e. enough to buy MILLIONS of cruise missiles) and US combat troops sent on half a dozen straight combat tours, until some of them started facing court martials to avoid returning. Other than the White House letterhead, I have never understood what changed. I am glad Republicans finally recognized Clintons authority as Commander-in-Chief; I just wish they had bothered to do so while he still had it: Then he would have had the latitude to kill bin Laden when he had the chance and the Twin Towers would still be standing.
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