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It's "bride" in the Old Testament as well. Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 09:48:37 PM
As I said:

There is a very good reason, too - the relationship between Christ and His Church is ever fresh and new, always a celebration and a feast; he is forever the bridegroom and the Church is forever the bride. The "honeymoon" never ends.


The authors of the various Biblical books were wise enough to know what most everyone else does: after the honeymoon is over, the marriage is a mixed bag. Some things are good, some aren't, and a lasting marriage has far more of the good things and far fewer of the bad, but there's never a "perfect" one.

By keeping the phraseology as "bride", the authors uniformly keep the relationship in its pristine and most joyous condition.

The distinction is a very important one, not a trivial one.

As for what Jesus says in the fragment that supposedly says, "My wife...", we don't know, because the fragment conveniently ends after that. The two letters that are present, "mn" with a line over them indicating a shewa-like vowel quantity, could be several things: (1) "with" (by itself), (2) "not" (as a prefix), (3) the first letters of words like mnout, "doorkeeper" or (more likely) mntre "witness" (or, in the Christian sense, martyr).

I have problems with the text, though, because the word for "wife" uses a non-standard spelling, the "my" part is darker and almost looks like it was added later, and more importantly the particle that usually sets off direct speech is missing. I just think that it might be:

peje IC nau je hime mn
Jesus said to them, "A woman with..."

or

peje IC je shime mn
Jesus said "A woman with..."
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
This message last edited by Tom on 20/09/2012 at 09:49:05 PM
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That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM* - 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM 582 Views
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It's "bride" in the Old Testament as well. - 20/09/2012 09:48:37 PM 882 Views
Two things why it is important - 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM 860 Views
There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD: - 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM 822 Views
The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD. - 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM 812 Views
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I would buy 200 AD, of course. - 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM 870 Views
It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point. - 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM 842 Views
Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD. - 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM 860 Views
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What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition? - 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM 886 Views
Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago. - 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM 844 Views
Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well - 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM 985 Views
Let's not get started on Funk - 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM 777 Views
So true - 22/09/2012 10:23:08 PM 884 Views
don't these people have anything better to do? - 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM 818 Views
Clearly not. - 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM 721 Views
then i'll escape this thread before anyone twigs - 22/09/2012 08:12:37 PM 891 Views
Too late, I have already twigged, branched and treed. - 22/09/2012 08:58:39 PM 866 Views
I know! - 21/09/2012 06:48:33 AM 996 Views
See, Tom, you made a mistake. - 22/09/2012 10:25:22 AM 853 Views

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