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In terms of employment, it really is, inescapably. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/09/2012 09:48:28 PM
I technically agree with you, but there is always the gray area. It is not my stance, but saying that Obama fosters a sense of entitlement and that people are being "lazy" and taking advantage of that is not talking about two entirely separate concepts.

I do think more people rely on unemployment than should; however, saying that everyone who needs it is "lazy" is never going to be true.

Closely examining the idea of Obama is some kind of "entitlement king" exposes it as fantasy. He has created no entitlements, and only expanded one I know of: Unemployment insurance, only available to previously employed people who document ongoing but unsuccessful efforts to find work. Having never been on it I do not know which are state and which federal requirements, but in TX unemployment insurance requires recipients look for work daily and prove they did so; naturally, benefits end once unemployment does. So I am not sure how much "reliance" occurs except for those genuinely seeking but unable to find work.

That last is the problem: The conceit there are plenty of jobs for anyone not too proud to take them AND that unacceptably high unemployment is intolerably burdening hardworking Americans. Those positions are mutually exclusive: Are they hard working Americans needing but not getting the presidents help, or lazy bums who deserve no unemployment insurance? If the former, a president PLEDGED not to help will not, so Romney is not the answer; if the latter, their unemployment is not Obamas fault, and thus no reason to remove him.

The idea unemployment insurance or the rest of the welfare state creates a culture of dependency was at least a plausible accusation against FDR, even if few fell for it until the Reagan Revolution, but Obama? He was not even BORN until 30 years after the creation of Social Security and unemployment insurance, and was only 4 when Medicare and Medicaid were created. It is therefore hard to see how they could be his fault even if they did somehow convince 25 million people to quit their jobs (the idea anyone <65 would quit their jobs to live off SS and Medicare is absurd in the first place; it is not even POSSIBLE without SS disability, which is nightmarishly difficult to qualify for even with acute demonstrated need. If there is a problem, Obama did not create it; he inherited it along with the rest of us.

So what is left? Robomacare? People quit work because they must buy unaffordable insurance or get it from their employer? See any problems with that logic? :P
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That's... actually a cogent point. *NM* - 18/09/2012 09:11:07 AM 188 Views
Happy to oblige. - 18/09/2012 09:28:48 AM 402 Views
Re: Happy to oblige. - 18/09/2012 03:08:09 PM 352 Views
You would be surprised how well that does NOT work. - 18/09/2012 03:13:23 PM 387 Views
Well, that's not exactly the point, and I think you know it. - 18/09/2012 05:24:48 PM 387 Views
In terms of employment, it really is, inescapably. - 18/09/2012 09:48:28 PM 497 Views
Nope. - 18/09/2012 10:29:50 PM 374 Views
That's not really the point though, is it? - 18/09/2012 09:41:52 AM 402 Views
Re: That's not really the point though, is it? - 18/09/2012 12:58:32 PM 390 Views
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Harvard Law Review - 18/09/2012 06:53:47 PM 371 Views
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I should note my comment was joking *NM* - 18/09/2012 10:40:42 PM 206 Views
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