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So then you don't Bush for the 2008 when dems controlled both houses? *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 05/09/2012 07:36:29 PM
Clinton signing off on their legislation does not make him solely responsible; did you not just yesterday point out Congress has far more control over new legislation than the president? Clinton shares blame for allowing their insanity to become law, yes, but once again, it is ridiculous when Republicans argue all their irresponsible disasters are the fault of Dems for not opposing Republicans enough.

But Obama is and was a big fan of pushing banks to give people loans they couldn't afford and to see he is blameless is false.

Joel the difference between me using Daily Caller and disagreeing with PolitiFact (Tampa Bay Times) is I don't claim they are the final arbitrator of the truth. If you have some evidience that they are inaccurate then show but don't ask like it is written in stone just becuase someone sprinkled it with magic factchecker fairy dust.

Facts are facts; they do not change, whoever reports them. Are you seriously claiming it is a "fact" that a national federal policy spanning two presidencies and almost an entire decade was cause solely by a young lawyer Chicago lawsuit? Can you show me any instance of Gramm referencing a Chicago lawsuit when arguing Glass-Steagall be repealed? For that matter, what does minority lending have to do with the Glass-Steagall repeal that caused the subprime mortgage disaster?

This is just the same old "minorities caused the subprime mortgage disaster, not greedy, irresponsible and often feloniously fraudulent megabanks." It is an old popular GOP deflection: Does any evidence support it? Is there a record of minority subprime loans defaulting at a higher rate than subprime loans to white people? Or is it just criminal bankers blaming their theft and fraud on poor blacks and hispanics?
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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result - New Obama Ad - 04/09/2012 04:42:06 AM 1234 Views
The question is not if 4 more Obama years will be better, but if 8 Romney years will be worse. - 04/09/2012 05:06:42 AM 935 Views
Romney may do some good, maybe he won't.....but I know Obama has been a disaster..... - 04/09/2012 05:18:01 AM 676 Views
Two honest questions for you, or for anyone saying that. - 04/09/2012 08:48:35 AM 716 Views
You're not suggesting a discussion are you? Based on arguments? *NM* - 04/09/2012 09:23:51 AM 333 Views
Dangerous, I know. *NM* - 04/09/2012 09:30:58 AM 335 Views
We may have to brace for impact. - 04/09/2012 09:50:20 AM 625 Views
Watch it you socialist SOB! - 04/09/2012 02:08:26 PM 639 Views
Re: Two honest questions for you, or for anyone saying that. - 04/09/2012 02:08:57 PM 718 Views
Easy answers...... - 04/09/2012 02:20:28 PM 747 Views
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Yes, he's going to repeal ObamaCare and replace it with something better..... - 04/09/2012 04:06:55 PM 716 Views
RoBamaCare; fixed that for you. (now with Edit!) - 04/09/2012 04:11:06 PM 795 Views
By me pointing out that the Dems are bought and paid for..... - 04/09/2012 04:21:49 PM 726 Views
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No, Obama INHERITED a disaster; unemployment is no higher than when he took office. - 04/09/2012 10:13:53 PM 802 Views
a disaster Obama helped to create by forcing sub prime lonas on banks - 04/09/2012 10:31:01 PM 766 Views
OMFG, Obama caused the subprime mortgage disaster now? Did he cause Pearl Harbor, too? - 05/09/2012 12:04:37 AM 745 Views
So you agree Clinton is to blame and Bush did nothing but save things with TARP good - 05/09/2012 02:41:57 PM 627 Views
You are adept at selective reading: GOP bill, passed by a GOP House and Senate. - 05/09/2012 07:31:29 PM 934 Views
So then you don't Bush for the 2008 when dems controlled both houses? *NM* - 05/09/2012 07:36:29 PM 291 Views
Unemployment is higher, median income is lower, national debt is higher, gas prices are higher..... - 05/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 653 Views
US unemployment February 2009: 8.3% US unemployment now: 8.3% - 05/09/2012 12:53:08 AM 881 Views
Took office unemployment = 7.8% ; Now 8.3% and rising (again) *NM* - 05/09/2012 12:57:54 AM 322 Views
How about we count the first full month he was in office. - 05/09/2012 01:05:55 AM 629 Views
Nope..... *NM* - 05/09/2012 01:09:24 AM 290 Views
Re: Nope..... - 05/09/2012 01:38:17 AM 686 Views
I like 5.....sue me! *NM* - 05/09/2012 02:37:38 AM 295 Views
You like error. - 05/09/2012 03:05:41 AM 611 Views
Funny how that lets not count the first month rule wasn't applied for Bush *NM* - 05/09/2012 02:44:45 AM 281 Views
*shrugs* It was 4.2% in January 2001 and also in February. - 05/09/2012 03:04:53 AM 833 Views
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+1 - great speeches, but no leadership - 04/09/2012 02:33:21 PM 618 Views
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sorry but you seem to be dribbling DNC talking point all down your shirt *NM* - 04/09/2012 10:28:26 PM 322 Views
Sorry, but I cited hard data. - 04/09/2012 10:35:49 PM 691 Views
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